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Fast and Athletic vs Slow and Methodical

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hlmbasketball, Jun 27, 2025 at 5:02 PM.

  1. krosfyah

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    Jalen isn't that good at fast breaks. He often would kill a fastbreak so he can do an iso step back ala James Harden, but much less efficient.

    I think the best coach for Jalen would have been Rick Adelman and employ the 7 second offense. Jalen would be deadly in that system.

    I'd hear national announcers often say the Rockets are young and fast and a good open court team. They just assume that they are young so they must be fast. Wrong. That's lazy journalism, and they didn't actually watch the Rockets.
     
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  2. hlmbasketball

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    You idiot! Thats what Im saying, DrNuegebauer who was saying KD's transition percentile was higher than Jalen's, I said those numbers are skewed!

    And like I said, since Phoenix ran a GUARD CENTRIC OFFENSE through KD, Booker and Beal his numbers are going to be skewed compared to Jalen's who ran a offense primarily through Sengun.

    Think about it! If they had a GUARD CENTRIC OFFENSE and their transition numbers were still low, how much more is that going to effect the Rockets in transition going forward??? KD is primarily a half court player now, who runs every now and then. Between him, Sengun and FVV....We're going back to the Charles Barkley days.




     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Now that we lost Dillon Brooks, there's just no athleticism left on the entire roster.
     
  4. Rokman

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    Truth hurts. Thanks for bringing that up.
     
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    Phoenix Guard centric offense vs our totally opposite get the ball out ofour guards hands offense.

    PHX time of possession leaders

    Booker : 4.9 minutes
    Jones : 4.4 minutes
    Beal : 3.7 minutes

    HOU time of possession leaders

    FVV : 5.8 minutes
    Green : 5.3 minutes
    Amen : 3.2 minutes
     
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  6. Dobbizzle

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    It's crazy when you think that this entire ridiculous thread is the dude still trying to push his narrative that Sengun is unplayable. That's all it is, there's no grounding in reality, there's no true analysis, it's just presenting whatever information he can try and use to push that narrative. Let's forget that Sengun's the guy who actually turned out to be worth way more than his draft position and Jalen aint ****, he just tries to find different ways to push it and it's not really changed in 4 years.
     
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  7. AlperenSengun

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    How can you claim that jalen's stats are bad because of Sengun's slow style (not true by the way) and we got the #2 because of the fast style. Did we play fast or primarily through sengun who is not fast (again not true)?

    Jalen is one of the worst decision makers in the game, he did not add any major skills to his game through four years. That's why he is bad in half court and transition. He only gets better in transition because there is less decision making and more room to use his primary advantage but other players can do it without that level athleticism. it is not a skill to use your athleticism when not needed.

    You praise indiana for fast tempo, but they are half court fast as well, not transition fast. That means a lot of decision making and jalen sucks at that. To the contrary Sengun is your best player at that, who you think is slow.
     
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  8. hlmbasketball

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    You idiots don't READ at all! GO BACK AND LOOK.

    All I have said is the Rockets do not have an IDENTITY! And teams such as OKC and Indy, who just played in the NBA Finals, are fast pace teams.
    The NBA is moving in that direction.

    And if you look at our roster moving forward, we are going in the OPPOSITE direction with players like Sengun, KD, and FVV. Its OK to have a slow center, like Turner, even a Hardenstein but you can not combine that with a slow pace PG and wing players.
     
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    All you saw I said was SENGUN! You didn't see I made mention of KD and FVV too, being the reason for a slower pace.

    And yes, anyone knows that if you're playing through a center who primarily plays around the basket, rather than a center who spreads the floor, its going to slow down the pace of play

    Bias!
     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    This whole tantrum is about one player being gone.... the worst player in rotation.

    That's why no one takes this seriously.
     
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  11. AlperenSengun

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    Did you ever think the guard has more impact on setting the pace? I didn't see just Sengun, FVV and coaching is the main reason for our pace. Until fvv is replaced, this is what you are going to get. Centers almost have the last impact on pace. Replace hali and fvv and let's see the impact. Replace Sengun and Myles Turner, you will not see any change.

    And you can't claim Sengun is the reason for slower pace, and fast play got us to #2 in the western conference at the same time. That's the main problem with your reasoning.
     
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    I don't even see why guys are debating him like he's making valid points. This is simply another rephrase of "Sengun's archetype won't win anything" and we've read his nonsense 7 million different ways at this point. Just call it out for the troll job it is, if we keep engaging with the bullshit it won't ever stop lol.
     
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  13. hlmbasketball

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    And you are partially correct! Its FVV and Ime but also Sengun. I agree that FVV sets the pace, he is not a run first PG and Ime designs whatever offensive sets he wants the players to run.

    However, Sengun is a culprit as well because as we saw in the playoffs, he can only score around the basket. So when he gets the ball and holds it for 5 seconds or more to get his shot, it slows down the pace.

    I still feel as though the Rockets had a better team than Indy but Indy had an IDENTITY that they had during the season and kept it throughout the playoffs. And to this date, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ROCKETS WERE DOING OFFENSIVELY.
     
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    You are wrong as always! If you could comprehend what I originally posted, you would have it least got the correct player! Im upset that they are considering trading Cam. Jalen is gone!
     
  15. AlperenSengun

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    green held the pace back more than anybody else. You fail to see it because he didn’t do it holding the ball in his hands, but rather dribbling around to create something for himself and he was not good at it. They usually ended with a bad shot, turnover or simply giving it back to fvv with 10 seconds lost from the offense.

    I am fairly confident that we will play faster than last year with green gone.
     
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    The JVG offense vs modern basketball
     
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  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Cam didn't significantly play last season, so if he goes, it changes nothing.

    It would be better if you felt like you could be am honest person and just admit this is a b**** fit about Jalen being gone.
     
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    One thing I don't do is menace my words.....what I say is what it is! I SAID THIS IS ABOUT CAM AND WHICH STYLE WE ARE GOING TO RUN GOING FORWARD.

    Learn to READ you dumb ass
     

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