Man if all you posters on this board that have been here for a while think the board is not as good as it once was, I wonder why it seemed to interesting to me when I wanted to join?
Fans criticizes and debates because they care. Maybe Les doesn't base his decisions on the opinions here, but 1, he takes fans opinions into consideration because fans pay his dinner for him, 2, Les' decision may be the same as some fans' opinions, as evidenced in the "resignation" of Rudy T and hiring JVG. Great minds think alike. Changes are made all the time. If one likes every player on this team, chances are he is not very bright. If one doesn't like every player on this team, then it's hypocrite to criticize other fans for disliking some of them or the coach. A fan does four things, to cheer, to boo, to consume and to know. The booing function of fans is what improves a franchise. Without the threat of fans stop consuming the inferior products, the owners and management have no incentives to make improvements. So b**** on, as long as you b**** right, and whether you b**** right is not to be judged by the ones who b****es about your b****ing, unless they bring up legit refutation against your b****ing.
Shake up the whole team? Or do you mean shake up everything but Van Gundy, Tracy and Tmac? Or do you think this team's front office should be reasonable about who's to blame for all the losses, the Injury Bug? This team has missed well over 150 games due to injury. What coach would be able to win with that many missed games? Sh!!t happens. That's it. Some people always have to blame someone or something in this country, but if you accept that sh!!t happens from time to time, blame isn't necessary. We were unlucky. Time to move on. Removing someone's head because of injuries? No coach or free agent in the league would want to come here after a beheading like that. Gotta think about longterm and shortterm! Calm down tigers, luck is part of every game and we had none. Retool, restart next year.
since Im quite sure you are referring to me with this post....i will respond to this bolded statement. Not to toot my own horn, but Im quite sure my contributions to this forum are far in excess of you and every other poster who does nothing but whines whines whines all day long in every thread about the same damn thing. I not once said that everything was rosey and wonderful...if thats all you got out of my rant...then I suggest that you enroll in a reading comprehension class. enough. Im done.
LB has a ring. He's been to the playoffs, and the finals three times already. He even has a college championship. Im not sure what you're thinking about, but LB>JVG
I said at the same point in his career. In his first 8 seasons, the same period that JVG has had, he was not as successful. Maybe a reading comprehension class would help.
ummm what are you trying to prove? That JVG is > LB LOL @ you. Try anything to justify your irrationality. At this point LB is a long time coach that has had a far larger impact over the game of basketball than JVG period. I dont want to hear your at this point argument, because not only does it do nothing to help JVG's case it makes him look worse when compared to a coach with a similar style.
Larry Brown was a multiple ABA All-Star, and won an ABA Championship as a player. He has proven his winning ability, something Mr. Van Gundy has yet to do.
Most of you guys who bash on Van Gundy do it becuase you claime he is too regimented and plodding and publicly hypercritical -- What the hell do you think Larry Brown is? [Herm Edwards] Hello..... [/Herm Edwards]
As if to prove the poster's point, the whiners have already turned this thread into yet another fire JVG thread.
I think had you titled your post differently, and maybe not taken such a broad stroke on the fans as seen in the bolded part of my quote of your post, that your opinion would have been accepted more readily. Bashing the fans who chime in when things aren't going well is easy.. but to say ALL rocket fans are bandwagonners is just an exaggeration and somewhat offensive, especially to this audience. Some fans are vocal, some like to theorize on what's wrong when things aren't going our way, some even over-react to situations that are less than perfect. Some don't cheer as loud as others. Does any of this make them bad fans? Not necessarily, rather I think it shows some passion for their team. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and any support of the team is good, but just because they are entitled to an opinion, or even a lack thereof, does not mean their view is the standard, or even correct. SO WHAT?! I think your comment that you "hate being a fan in Houston" is misdirected, and counterproductive to your points, which were mostly very good. I agree with most of your post, and think that some patience is in order... we never really saw what our proposed team was capable of, for MANY reasons.... but perhaps this patience, or tolerance, is something you can excercise as well, as we all know that no matter where your city, no matter what your team... Winning cures ills, and fans, nay people, like to associate with a winner. This isn't a Houston Rockets fan problem, this is just social truth. Are some cities more likely to support a team through strife than others? Probably, I always hear about how many games the CUBS sold out when they lost for like, a billion years, but honestly, WHO CARES? I'm proud to be a rocket fan, no matter how they're doing, no matter what stupid things get said here, no matter how loud (or not loud) the guy in the seat next to me cheers at the game. Does this mean I think the team or the fans are perfect and beyond reproach? No. Does the fact that their not perfect make me ashamed. No. It's my team... that's it. Do I care if everyone else shares my opinion? No. Would I like it if everyone was more supportive? Yes, but not at the expense of constructive criticism of how the team is doing, and what they plan to do in order to win. Just go with it, man... bagging on the fans while the team is down is not constructive, and a bit ridiculous when this forum is your audience, unless you are just another pseudo fan trying to get a rise. (If so, does this post mean it worked? Maybe, but I don't think that is who you are, or that this was your intent). The Rockets tasted success in the somewhat recent past, and as you pointed out, they are THAT close to tasting it again. Just because some of them over-react to what should be done to get that, or don't react at all, doesn't make them bad fans... misguided and high-strung, perhaps, but no more than your bashing of the fan base. Reading that part of your post makes me think of that announcer, T. Gray, or is it Tigre, when he demands everyone make noise at the game... it's just not what we need. R2K pwns.
i agree man, i too live in houston and it makes me upset bout the badn wagon fans....also i hate the idea of tanking and people wanting them to tank...but all in all im not a big JVG fan but he has done a decent job this year considering he had to make shift a PG at the beginning of the season and then missed his 2 top players (tmac and yao) and now tmac is out again...larry brown is a defensive coach though, the only reall offensive coachs are flip, adleman, antonie (phx), sorry i cant spell....i agree with you about the tmac situation everyone is assuming his back is dead and wont ever be able to play again....all he needs to do is rest last offseason he worked his ass off and that put alot of strain on his back which caused it to act up...anyone who has had a back spasm knows only rest can help which is what he is gonna have for 4 or 5 months now....we need another backup PG, we need some shooting gaurds who are taller and can shoot form the outside and also get swift to be a lil more smarter out there at times
