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[FanHouse]NBA Top 50 - Tmac 29

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hayesfan, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. AntiSonic

    AntiSonic Member

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    He just doesn't carry them very far.
     
  2. jonjon

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    There is not 28 players in the league better the Mcgrady. That is ridiculous.
     
  3. rocketsregle

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    No he doesn't. Maybe it was the case under JVG but he is not the coach anymore and under Adelman a lot of the times last year the team carried McGrady. Which is what is so great about Adelman's offense.
     
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  4. jonjon

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    The Lakers have good team with or without Kobe, but he still carries them. We have a good team, but having players like Mac, Yao, and Artest is what gives us the potential to be great.

    The team hasn't ever carried him. Yao and Tracy carried the team last year. Yao went down, and then Tracy carried. Simple as that.
     
  5. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    I know Tracy has falling off from being in the top 5, but when heathly I'll still put him in the top 10.
     
  6. Angkor Wat

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    Which Rockets team were you watching last year? From what I saw, if T-Mac wasn't scoring, he was finding his teammates with good passes. After Yao went down, when T-Mac was on the bench, our offense didn't look nearly as good. Yes he may have not shot well but he impacted the game in other areas. We had almost nobody else besides Mac that could create their own shot when Yao went out.
     
  7. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Most of that list is a joke.
     
  8. rocketsregle

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    Sorry to disagree but I saw things differently last year. He had one of his worst years last season statistically, he had games where he had to be carried. He coasted a lot in the first halves, mainly because he was in a shooting slump, was playing hurt, and he didn't want to interfere with how well the team was running.
     
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  9. jonjon

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    And what he said too...
     
  10. rocketsregle

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    The team that I saw at home games and TV on away games. I never said he didn't contribute. Rafer Alston doesn't do it as good but he also gets the offense going. The team was a very well oiled engine. Scola, Landry, Mutombo, Battier, and Alston stepped up too. In what McGrady should without a doubt get credit for is being the go-to-guy in the fourth when the offense bogged down.
     
  11. AntiSonic

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    Most of those players have had better careers than McGrady.
     
  12. JD2010

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    Agreed.
     
  13. t_mac1

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    you should stop yourself from posting. your basketball knowledge is just garbage with that list. igodala?? the guy who can't even score 10 pts v. single coverage on the pistons??

    marion?? the guy who can't carry any team?

    calderon?? not even the best player on his own team?

    bosh???

    josh smith???

    outside of kobe, bron, cp3, nash, name me other star that would lead the rockets to last yr's type of success (hell the last 2 yrs) when yao went down?
     
  14. t_mac1

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    we won 55 games last yr. he was our best player. are you saying your own team is a lower-echelon team? this guy makes me laugh everytime he posts.
     
  15. mzsajjad

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    wow what a ignorant statement . ok the writer of the article made a lot of valid points and considering im someone that always plays fantasy basketball , i might even agree to the 29th rank if we are talking fantasy . but when reality talk starts the points made by the original poster were great but the extent of his emphasis on stats was very exaggerated . T-mac is a far supperior player than most people on the list above and i would say easily in top 10-15 players in the league. His injuries are what make him a issue majority of the time and our anemic offensive execution or game plan of that matter is also responsible for his efficiency being down. i have a hard time saying than more than 8 players are definitively better options than t-mac at this stage. the rest are all debates or clear no's . When healthy T-mac is top 5. unfortunately been a long while since hes been healthy and we cant say if he ever will be completely healthy ever again .
     
  16. mzsajjad

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    ok people why isnt anyone pointing out this part of the original post

    "It's not McGrady's fault -- he hasn't had much offensive help outside of Yao Ming. To Mac's credit, he has gotten his teammates shots they can work with; McGrady's assist numbers are sky-high for the type of player he is. Rafer Alston benefits, Shane Battier benefits, Brent Barry will benefit. And this is to say nothing of the immeasurable impact of the near-constant double-teams McGrady (for some reason) still draws: no perimeter player in the league sees more early help defense, save for LeBron."

    Any guy with good knowledge of how the game works and what T-mac brings can see that teams always gun after t-mac regardless of weather Yao is there or not. Our offensive system sucks and is never executed. There has been no movement off the ball. people stand around and aside from stupid high pick and rolls which can be disrupted when needed, our system breaks down. Without a guy like T-mac we wouldn't score more than 75 in 90 percent of the games we play. If we want efficiency to be higher lets learn how to play offense first. Watch a LA game and see how they free up kobe off of a motion triangle offense. Lebron is the ONLY guy in the NBA in a worst offensive situation that is successful besides T-mac. Well aside from Lebron simply just being better, there are more factors to his success, he doesnt always play the same level of competition as T-mac does for one, since hes in the east, second, when Big Z is out of the game everyone clears out and hes more explosive to the rim so he has better success going to the hole than T-mac. by the way big Z only averages less than 25 min a game.
     
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    Thats why I didn't even reply to that dude we all know hes a Tracy hater. I too get a good laugh out of his posts.
     
  18. mzsajjad

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    Oh and just because we got Artest and barry doesnt mean T-mac's efficiency will automatically go up. The only thing that will cause his efficiency to increase is his role changing within our offense and our offensive strategy improving with better motion and game plans to utilize T-mac's strength's better. Run T-mac off of double back screens and have the second screen setter roll to the basket with spot up on the opposite side of the floor with spacing and a cutter going into the lane and watch what happens ... no double teams and if there are any tmac will hit the open guy without a problem.

    Thats a far cry away from having T-mac handle the ball from mid court or getting it to him on the baseline or elbow and having him create for the whole darn team. while he gets doubled and trapped all over the floor. All we do is set one pick for him allowing the double to come easily and because the other 3 idiots stand still he either jacks it up or passes it leading to poor executed plays alot of the time.
     
  19. RocketsHero

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    So Yao Ming didn't contribute to any of those wins?
     
  20. Classic

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    LOL, exactly....

    Big deal. He's the only person on the Rockets that can create a shot. That graph is magnified by the fact that the numbers are on such a small scale thus magnifing the difference. We won 55 games and 22 games in a row. That tells me all I need to know about his game. When Rafer Alston is taking the 2nd most shots per game for 10 of those 22 games in a row, I don't care what some stupid graph says. There is no way there are 28 players better than Tmac. For as much responsibility as he has and as good as our defense is, I can handle a slightly lower shooting percentage. With the addition of Artest, Tmac can coast (and thus become more efficient) and the Rockets are going to dominate.
     

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