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[FanHouse]NBA Top 50 - Tmac 29

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hayesfan, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. weidong082004

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    Obviously, Yao < Kareem, T-Mac < Magic Johnson, but we have Artest and Scola. Our paper strength is strong enough. What is the most important thing is the chemistry of the team. I expect T-Mac to be the engine of the rockets other than only a scorer.
     
  2. ronnymac

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    Dear god. tracy when healthy is the best scorer on this tea. remember the start to the season?. we went 6 and one because tracy was averaging twenty seven points. he gets fourty plus when he's healthy like it's water off a ducks back.

    Also yao's only consistent with turnovers and injuries. how many times do we have to put up with him not performing in the playoffs or he's injured?.
     
  3. ronnymac

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    I think yao should be the primary scorer now. when the games on the line, you should allways go to him. even with arters, yao should be getting the most touches. whilst tracy continues to be the set up man and if needed the go-to-guy. but yao needs to be the primary go-to-guy.
     
  4. weidong082004

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    Yao or T-Mac ? ;)

    I think the primary duty of Yao is defence and rebound. We have so many scorer. why we still dependent on T-Mac or Yao and make too much stress on them? Houston Rockets is a team. Share the shooting, improve the efficiency, thats the key to get the rings.
     
  5. mzsajjad

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    ok just read the entire post ... lol didnt have internet because of stupid ike ... ok the kid wants to talk fact and figures and stats so play his game to prove a point. First off b-ball you say you dont watch enough rockets games, which you admitted earlier, so you wouldnt know anything about offensive strategies or defensive game plans that are in place for or against our team. ill fill you in. T-mac's poor efficiency is due to many factors, age, injuries and bla bla ... but lets just talk about facts, its major reason is our offensive execution or lack there of. In fact the Only time we are remotely efficient is when T-mac runs the offense and handles the ball .

    1) there arent 28 other players that are better capable of improving offensive efficiency of an entire team while running the offense.

    2) As people have said b4, due to fact no 1. He is STATISTICALLY the second most double teamed player in the game today. Coaches obviously dont do it because they consider him to be another KOBE, they simply do it to knock the rockets off balance. IF they dont double him or take the ball out of his hands, "the rockets" simply score at too high of an efficiency to compete against. Again notice i said "the rockets" not tracy. 28 other players dont get that type of respect by other coaches in this league

    3) He is the unquestioned leader of this team and well the record shows, YES STATISTICALLY and as a FACT that he has lead this team to a 22 game streak and great regular season records since hes been here.

    4) His assist to turnover ratio is the best (better than lebron) among the so called 28 other players that are considered better than him that are not PG's. while also putting up more 40 point games in a season and in a playoff series than like 23 of the so called better players. When you figure in rebounding and team wins in a regular season or even playoff performances. THERE IS NO WAY you have 28 better players.

    5) Ok yes there is no official way to see if GM's would say yes or no to trade offers. thats a fact. but GM's are smart individuals who get paid millions to do a job and since we were the 4rth best team in the western conference last yr . that would make us a pretty damn good team. AND one of the biggest measures of a player in any sport is what he can do on a great team. What role does he take on and how he leads and what are the results. There SIMPLY is not a team out there where lets say you trade Tracy for dirk or marion or melo or redd or bosh or even dwight . for any of these guys . NONE OF THEM MAKE OUR CURRENT TEAM BETTER THAN WHAT TRACY MAKES IT. our team would take a major hit in the win column due to many factors as , people not fitting , not enough scoring , not enough passing, and so on so fourth . chemistry problems. Now think of the other way around. Tracy going to their teams if not makes those teams better, DOESNT CAUSE A MAJOR drop off of any sort. can fit in easily into any system and contribute in different positions and provide different skill sets and still has the ability to mesh, blend and keep the teams close to the same level or close to it or better than they were with one of the other so called 28 players. this argument doesnt work with like 5 players but the rest im dead on.

    i could go on but im tired of writing this essay .
     
  6. ronnymac

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    Reading he's thrashy posts tells us that he dosent watch much or any rockets game. btw, great post sajjad.
     
  7. LBJ-Tmac

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    Dw tmac will got 24/4/7 next yr no probs his reb gets lower cause he gets more lazy but he continues to do no look passes xD this argument is over man you just cant argue tmac is 29th =.=" its so stupid think about it
     
  8. B-balltm

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    I watch Rockets games. Much more than any other team, which is why I don't make questionable claims like "he draws more attention than any other team", etc.
     
  9. Ikorose

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    I just read thru some of his posts. It's pretty obvious he hasn't seen any more than 5 games, 4 of which T-Mac didn't play, and the 5th being the game against the Lakers early this season when he left with the elbow injury.

    Excellent post by mzsajjad. Everything said was on point.
     
  10. Easy

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    LOL, so let me get this straight:

    You don't watch much how other teams play.
    Therefore, the claims by those who do watch other teams play are questionable.

    Great logic.
     
  11. ubigred

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    We need both of them for playoff success. Yao CAN NOT have a devastating injury again this year and has to play like a man.
     
  12. Ikorose

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    So far he has these guys ahead of T-Mac:

    Iverson
    David West
    Caron Butler
    Tony Parker
    Andrew Bynum

    If Bynum is a top 25 player in the league when his only body of work is 13/10(not even all-star numbers) for 35games, then Yao is a top 5 player of all time.
     
  13. ronnymac

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    Tmacs numbers prior to injuring he's shoulder.
    30 points 6 boards 4 assists against @la Win
    47 points 4 boards 4 assists against @utah win
    20 points 6 boards 4 assists against portland win
    35 points 3 boards 8 assists against @dallas loss
    12 points 6 boards 9 assists against san antonio win
    21 points 9 boards 6 assists against the bucks win
    26 points 8 boards 5 assists against the @bobcats win
    41 points 4 boards 4 assists against the @grizzlies loss
    9 points in 18 minutes against la. he got injured in this game.

    Thats what he was doing in the first 8 games of the season before injuring he's shoulder against la. when he's healthy, he's as good as any primeter player
     
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    McGrady is a valuable asset period. You can't expect love from the papers when it took us 18 wins in a row just to earn top news in sports...... Blazers and hornets had theirs in 9.....
     
  15. Jeff Who

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    Very good post but it was elbow injury. And even after than he was still playing well.

    And that is why I say, If he stays healthly next season (for 82 games and playoffs) he is going to be one of the best players because he can still do it all and put up big numbers. Just gotta be 100%
     
  16. Ikorose

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    Kevin Martin is now on the list above T-Mac. This list is no longer worthy of discussion :eek:
     
  17. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    He was avg 29 ppg 5.7 rebs and 5.5 dimes a game, so you're right its all about health.
     
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    After the 07-08 season McGrady at #29 sounds about right. 18.3 PER is terrible for a player his calibre/talent. To put this in perspective ...the disaster that was the 05-06 he still managed a PER of 21.9 and has had a PER of at least 20 since he was 20 (last year in Toronto). While PER has its flaws (favors bigmen due to emphasis on rebs & fg% AND cant really measure defense) it is a nice indicator of how good a player is for given season.

    for perimeter players especially....
    20ish PER = low-level all-star season
    25ish PER = MVP level season
    28ish PER = historically great season

    Now understand he was terrific in '07 ...was actually better offensively than he was in '05; so chill with the doom and gloom. BUT it needs to be said that his shooting eff. was awful this past season and has been below par the past few seasons. Above everything else....what the hell is going on at the FT line??? And I for the life of me can't understand how someone can make DRAMATIC improvements on their jumpshot from age 20-24 and go the opposite way from age 25-28.

    In the 03-04 season he only shot 41% from the field yet had a 526 TS% and a 25.3 PER...how did he manage that??? cause he shot 34% from 3 and a career high 79.6% from the FT line...while still rebounding well with his assists up and turnovers low (just like he does nowadays). His midrange J is still good but from distance and at the charity stripe has been a problem that needs to be corrected. Im hoping and praying that this past season was an anomaly and a 18 PER isn't what he's gonna be going forward....

    ....give Houston the 06-07 McGrady with Artest and Yao and they're in the WCFs easy.

    check the stats for yourself
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01.html
     

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