Just by that statement, it is evident that you are ignorant and immature. Furthermore, it is clear that you have an agenda against Islam and Muslims. Your statement shows me that I can say the world to you and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. No point in arguing with someone who lacks the ability to make an argument without resorting to childish insults.
Do you deny that there is a piece of meterorite at Mecca, and that it is revered as holy? By the way don't take it personally, I find all religions assinine and created by man. Just that the Muslim one is the only one I can find that had a murdering, pedophilic, torturous dictator as it's founder. No big whup...
It's not a question of taking anything personally. I do not take it personally. You are free to have your opinions. That's why this is the D&D. I really do not want to say that about any of the three monotheistic faiths. However, if we are to use the standard that I assume that you are using, then one can definitely make an argument saying that Moses and others of the Old Testament did the same types of things that the early Muslims did. I'll list a few verses from the Bible to prove my point: 1) God commands Moses to exterminate the Canaanites and Amorites and show no mercy towards them. (Deuteronomy 7:1-2) 2) God commands Moses to kill 24000 people and hang their severed skulls in the sunlight. Moses kills all male Midianites and the adult women. The virgins amongst them are enslaved.(Numbers 25) 3) God commands Moses, in any city near the promised land which does not agree to become a vassal state of the Israelites, to kill all the males and take the women and children as slaves and the animals as booty, but in any city in the promised land the Israelites are to kill every living thing, sparing no one (Deuteronomy 20:10-17). 4) Lot offered his virgin daughters to strangers to do to them whatever they wish in order to protect his male guests (Genesis 19:8). 5) Lot has sex with his daughters in order to have descendants (Genesis 19:30-38) Although Jesus Christ himself did not kill or do anything repulsive, he is held as a part of the Trinity in Christianity. Therefore, under this, he and God are one and the same. Therefore, anything that God commanded Moses, Aaron, Lot, and others to do can be attributed to Jesus Christ. According to the Bible, Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega and that makes him God. Therefore, under this premise, Jesus Christ was more repulsive that anyone else because the burden of each prophet is limited to himself. However, as God, Jesus Christ's burden encompasses all of the prophets. I know that this is outrageous and as a Muslim, I obviously do not believe that Jesus Christ is God. However, if one wants to make the argument, it can legitimately be made.
OK Aggie, And how exactly does that refute anything I said about Muhammed? Also, I have repeatedly said I believe all religions are man made, including Christianity. However, if you are arguing that Jesus and Mohammed are equal morally, I think you are dead wrong. Jesus healed the sick, died for the sins of others, all while preaching peace..... Can you say the same about Muhammed? The leap of faith you are using to connect God to Moses and what he was told to do is tenuous at best. Did God tell moses to do that? Just because it is written in some man made textual account called the Bible does not make it so..... Also, could you address the holy rock that is at the center of Mecca, why is a metorite holy? DD
Just want you to be careful: Lot's daughters have sex with him so that he will have progeny; Lot is taken advantage of in the story. Not that it has much to do with your argument with DaDa, especially since all your other stuff is right. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=genesis 19&version=31
My arguments thoroughly refute your argument that Islam is the ONLY religion with murderers and pedophiles. I am not morally equating any prophet to any other prophet. What I said was stated to refute your argument that Islam is somehow exclusive in its history of murder and compulsion. In response to your question about whether God told Moses to do the things he said, the answer is an unequivocal yes. Why shouldn't we trust the Bible there, especially considering that there is nothing to refute those things. On the same note, if Moses and other prophets are exonerated because we have nothing other than a man-made book to say they did the things they did, why don't you apply the same standard to Muhammad and Islam? You weren't there to see Muhammad do the things he did. You are so sure that Muhammad was such an evil man, yet you refuse to say Moses was the same way just because the only thing we have to say that is the Bible. In that case, either you give the Qur'an higher credence than you do the Bible, or you are not applying your standards objectively.
Sure, except Jesus - the be all end all of Christianity is peaceful, and tolerant. Mohammed, the be all end all of Islam, is not. Islam is not exclusive in having a history of bad actions (look at the inquisition), but in today's world there is a vast difference in the outlook vs the OT whereas in Islam there isn't any difference.
this is it for me. i don't even mean it comparatively. ask me why I'm a Christian, and it's so elementary to me it invokes a "duh" response....but it is Jesus, entirely. we've distorted and tortured...the church has turned its back so many times...but i can't get away from the truth in Jesus and who he is.
No, I said it was the only one that was STARTED by a murderous warlord. I don't think the Q'ran is worth the paper it is written on...a bunch of fables that were told around the night time fires to control the children and ignorant masses, that finally got written down. Same as the bible, both are meant to control man.... How else would you explain the thought that eating pigs is bad? Because centuries ago Pigs were dirty and would carry disease, this is not the case any longer, but the stupid idea persists. The only argument you have that is valid is that you said I was not there to see Muhammed nor Jesus and thus I really don't know how any of them acted, especially since I don't trust the source of either of their accounts. On this sir, I give you full points. Now would you please answer the question about that silly little meteorite that is so crucial to Islam, how is that a religious symbol? DD
For me, this is the crux of the argument. How can bacon be bad? I'm gonna assume God knows what bacon tastes like, and I refuse to believe he thinks it tastes bad. I mean, c'mon. Its bacon. Its heaven on earth, for crying out loud. Bacon. Cigarettes. Alcohol. Anyone who's against those things is just OBVIOUSLY a false prophet. I mean, really. You can have multiple wives but no bacon? That's just crazy. Yes, there you have it - its just craziness.
The way people still flock to Graceland for Elvis' birthday and the day he died, maybe we could have an Elvis religion in 500 years.
Elvis did like that bacon (reportedly one pound) and peanut butter sandwich, so I'm game. Sounds a lot better than a pedophile war hungry nutcase.
As much folly as Falwell offers, would Falwell do this? http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/063624.php Family of four murdered in New Jersey because the dad criticized Islam. Can't find it on Snopes. Heard about it on Boortz. Fox reports, you decide.
Giddyup, If that is true it is just sad. Why doesn't the Islamic religion police itself? If it is a peaceful religion then why does it let these Wack job mulahs run around preaching hatred? If this does become a religious war, I for one am glad that the Christians have the biggest guns and bombs. DD
DaDakota, countless articles etc. have been posted on top mulahs, and other muslims crying out against these people. They are no different than Yates who killed her babies because of God, or the other woman who recently killed her children because of a biblical verse. Where was the Christian outcry against those Christian serbs who were slaughtering the peaceful muslims over there? Yes Clinton sent in troops, but the church didn't make much of a fuss over it.
Blade, Yes, I have seen some articles, but what is the percentage of articles in favor of the jihad, versus those opposed? I would be willing to bet it is somewhere in the 50-1 ratio. Hatred against the US and the Christians and Jews is accepted as normal in many muslim countries. You get an entire generation that has been brainwashed. They get the same info from their bigoted parents, their church and their government....and they are sensored to outside ideals. People unable to think for themselves...what a great way to be. DD
I think it depens on what kind of jihad you are talking about. But articles against terrorists vs. articles in favor of terrorists and murderers, I would bet is 50:1 against. Hatred against the U.S. has gone up incredibly in many muslim countries. The unfavorable rating dropped by 30 percent in one muslim country in the middle east and I can't remember which one it was. Most others I know that don't have a thing against Christians though that is changing too, sadly. But I do agree that there is much anger resentment and ill will toward the Jews. Usually not Jews that live in their country(unless it is in the occupied territories) but Jews in general. I agree it is based on ignorance, brainwashing, propoganda and all of that garbage.
