NIKE, GATER, the thing about the Rockets potentially acquiring someone like Arroyo is that 1) he is an asset and is a decent value at his contract. And 2) he is a young player that potentially could be part of our Tmac/Yao core. During a time where the Rockets continue to add veteran "hired guns" to the team, it would be nice to see us look to adding solid pieces to our foundation. Getting Arroyo, via let's say the T.E., would be a way for us to use the T.E. in a positive way and allow us to not worry so much about the PG position in the draft or via the MLE this summer. We could then totally focus on the PF position or just adding a quality player overall. We have until late June to use our T.E. to add something valuable to this team. So we have from now until the trading deadline in a month and then a short window in June after the season is over and June 30th to use our T.E, otherwise we will once again waste another asset. As much as I like Barrett, I dont see him having nearly the upside as Arroyo. I think a Sura/Arroyo PG duo would be solid for this team. It gives us variety. We would have Sura for the defense and toughness and then have a change of pace player in Arroyo that would be able to dribble/penetrate to create shots for other players, especially when Yao is out of the game and the lane is more wide open. Arroyo has solid potential. He is in Sloan's doghouse. Players like that ususually can be had on the cheap and those sometimes are the types of RISKS teams like the Rockets need to make to add more value and another asset to teh team.
i think the only players on that Utah team that I know that could play well on other teams are Boozer, AK, and Harpring. Everyone else ....lets just say Sloan has coached and taught them well.
Why hasn't anyone yet dusted off the old chestnut about players sucking once they leave Utah (and Sloan)?
How do we do this? CD's been trying to give them away and no one will touch them, not even the Hornets or size-starved Nets. Even if the Nets were to trade for Taylor with their TE, dropping his $9 million off the cap wouldn't get us under (50 million in salaries remaining, with only 9 players still under contract). We won't get under the cap no matter what we do. It's all a matter of whether Les will continue to have a lux tax to worry about. Unless we can get Swift for the exception or S&T for him (and no one would S&T for a TE or final year players for cap purposes - it's pointless), he's not coming here. As far as I can figure, our best bet is to package Wesley and Mutombo and try and move them plus maybe another player for a decent guy between this summer and Feb 2006. Evan
Jaric is not a true PG either, and frankly he is very overated on this board...there is a reason the Clips continue to look for a starting PG elsewhere in the NBA, and why Rick Brunson has come in and basically outplayed Jaric when he was healthy.
On the intriguing side, the Rockets have a trade exception large enough for him, an open roster slot, and a need/want for a PG. I've been asking this for a while, do the Rockets have a TE? I know we got one from the Rice trade, but it should have expired by now or it was used in the TMac trade? Can anyone confirm if we have a TE? If so, how much?
From my understanding, Houston traded their exception to Orlando this summer but they received another exception back from Orlando. I think is was around 5M.
If I am just interested in merely adding value I'll rather go for the juggler and add free agent Jay Williams (3 years contract @ $4M per - 2 guaranteed years and team option 3rd). Now that is value added commodity indeed. There is a saying that states that if you want to eat a Frog, you did be better served eating a very fat one. If we are thinking of taking a "risk" with Aroyo ("Sloan-factor" risk) why stop there? Jay Will could be a still by this time next year. His healing process was coming along great last time I checked. If he does not pan he would be gone the same year Motay contract comes off the books. PS. Also I must add that I believe that at this point Spanoulis is still 2-3 years away. Badiane could join us this fall but with the CBA issues and the potential short locked to ensure this summer, rumour has it that it will wipe out this year's cummer league and we will not have to pportunity to evaluate Badiane's progress. I do not believe we can land a player in the calibre of Stromile Swift, Chandler or Antonio Daniels either through free agency or trade (in Chandler's case).
Utah wouldn't ship Arroyo out simply for a TE. He doesn't have a bad contract and has value around the league. They're not in a bad cap situation, and this is a sharp front office. If they really just wanted him gone, someone like Gary Payton would make sense (final yr player). If we or the Nets traded for him using a TE it would likely have to be accompanied by a draft pick. Evan
This thread started at 01-10-2005 08:24 PM yesterday, has there been any confirmation of this trade yet?
Correct me if I'm wrong though - no one actually saw them say on NBATV that he would be dealt, but rather it was on a blog that they said he would. If he played even one minute after the "report", then it's not true. Atleast a deal isn't "done" anyhow.
Well, I went back to the blog to check the actual "wording" of what was said, and what do you know: http://fantasy-nba.blogspot.com/ Sorry for the Arroyo Trade messup... I was surely confused to see that Arroyo was suited up and played last night. It seems that this trade is just another rumor. Obviously, the trade isn't concrete - so it should remain just a trade rumor for now. I was chatting with a buddy of mine online, and he sent me a quick blurb about how he just heard Arroyo was traded on NBATV. I checked some online sources and found almost the exact same story. I thought it was too coincidental for two different people to both cite NBATV regarding an Arroyo trade, so I published the bit as a News Flash. This isn't to say that Arroyo will remain with the Jazz forever, but for now, don't hang any high hopes on seeing Carlos on a new team.
Yes. The Rockets used the Rice TE (which would have expired ~09.23.2004) as part of the McGrady trade. They structured how they sent Francis, Mobley and Cato to ORL and created a new TE. The ORL TE is believed to be ~$5m with an expiriation date of 03.30.2005. http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81993&perpage=30&pagenumber=4 As much as you "hate" on VG, I should have left you in the dark. Pretty accurate IMO. Except I don't see Sloan and Payton as compatible. We'd have to send Utah a future pick or possibly another concession but as NIKE pointed out the ORL TE is more than enough for Arroyo moneywise.
So perhaps CA is available -- for the right price? http://www.freep.com/sports/pistons/pnotes12e_20050112.htm POINTING TOWARD ARROYO? A rumor saying that the Pistons are interested in Utah point guard Carlos Arroyo may be true, but the sides would likely be unable to work out a trade. The two sides talked a week to 10 days ago, but Arroyo signed a four-year contract worth a reported $16 million last July, and there aren't a lot of players on the Pistons' roster that the Jazz covet other than starters. Arroyo, in his fourth season, is averaging 8.2. points and 5.1 assists this season. Arroyo, a career 43.5 percent shooter, is shooting 40 percent this season. Arroyo averaged 18 points, five assists and two steals per game for Puerto Rico during the 2004 Olympics, no doubt leaving a good impression with Brown. He had 24 points and seven assists in Puerto Rico's victory over the Brown-coached U.S. team in the opening round of the Olympics.
Even if he is available at the " right" price we shouldn't make a stupid mistake by giving up a 1st round pick plus the TE for him. I don't think CD is going to do that but with Sura possibly going down I hope there won't be a desperation move.
