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Expansion Draft

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kubli9, Apr 30, 2004.

  1. Absolut_RoxFan

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    Overpaid: yes
    Useless: no

    He works hard, he plays good defense in the paint, and we need a backup big man even if we can get a true starting 4.
     
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    I hope your adding those players for backup PFs. Because they are nowhere near our answer for a full-time PF.

    Don't let the highlights fool you on Swift, the guy doesn't rebound that well and won't have the impact we need.

    Wilcox? You gotta be kidding me, ok for come off the bench, but would much rather have MoT.

    I would leave MoT unprotected however, I don't see Charlotte taking him, especially if they're serious about Jamison.
     
  3. thumbs

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    Somebody has to take the hit. Can you imagine the lawsuits generated by the players whose contracts are suddenly voided? These are GUARANTEED contracts unlike the NFL.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Thumbs,

    I believe the contract will still be paid, but with no hit to the cap figure of Charlotte.

    DD
     
  5. Uncle_Tim

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    What's all this talk about Wallace? Are we getting William Wallace?? Freedom!!!
     
  6. sup123

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    However, u never know what you are gonna get. One day he will work his but off and the next day u will get lazy cato.
     
  7. JPM0016

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    Kelvin Cato has played great the last 2 years. I think we know exactly how he's gonna play
     
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    Then, what would be the advantage to Charlotte? A draft choice is not worth paying that much money. I am not saying you are wrong -- I just don't see the economics of it.

    Incidently, Administrator, this thread is technically different than the Van Gundy interview thread but the commentary is identical.
     
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    They wont take any of our guys in the expansion draft if we protect boki, they don't want to screw themselves in the cap if that is the case. Aside from that the guy we should be looking at is not rasheed but kenyon martin who was unhappy about his contract
     
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    I dislike Kenyon Martin. I wonder how protecting certain players effects egos. I wonder if certain unprotected players would feel worthless and left out, even more so because they didn't get playing time.
     
  11. JPM0016

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    i think i would shoot myself if Kenyon Martin ended up in a rockets uniform. He would stand a chance out west, but most importantly after making the "my kidney" remark to Alonzo Mourning i lost what little respect i had for him.
     
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    edit: should be "Wouldn't stand a chance out West"
     
  13. Uncle_Tim

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    I remember watching him last year and getting disgusted at his attitude. What's funny is I also remember when alot of people wanted him to be drafted by the Rockets. I wouldn't go as far as to say I would shoot myself, but I would definitely imagine shooting someone who's nickname is a small rival of Wal-Mart.
     
  14. aelliott

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    First of all, I never said that we should leave Taylor, Cato or anybody else unprotected. I was just clarifying that the NBA expansion rules don't allow for a scenario like the Texans and Jacksonville pulled off in the NFL expansion draft (Texans agree to take Boselli and Jacksonville agrees to let them take Seth Payne and Gary Walker).

    Now if, for whatever reason, the Rockets did indeed plan to leave either Taylor and/or Cato unprotected, then I would assume that they had already explored any trade options that might exist for those guys. If they ended up on the unprotected list, that would mean that we didn't get an offer that we thought was worthwhile and we were willing to give them up for nothing. So, if teams were unwilling to trade for Cato or Taylor prior to the expansion draft, then why would they all of a sudden be willing to do it after the draft? If a team values those guys, they'd just make the deal with us.

    I'd doubt that JVG would make Cato available unless we already had another PF to replace him. As far as Taylor, I don't know, but as I said, it doesn't really matter because Charlotte won't touch his contract.
     
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    No, you are correct. In regards to Taylor it makes no sense to Charlotte and that's why they'd never take Taylor. There's no way that we would compensate them sufficiently to get them to eat $30M+ worth of contract.

    The guys that you see mentioned in deals like that are Jahadi White and Elden Campbell. They each make in the $3M to $5M range and are in the last year of their deals. So effectively, you're buying a 1st round pick for $3M to $5M. That's pretty much the price paid by Utah to get first rounders from Houston and Phoenix in the deals for Rice and Gugliotta (Rice made $10M, the traded us Ameechi ($2.5M) and then they bought out Rice for $6.6M, so they ended up paying out an additional $4.1M in the deal)
     
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    Wallace will be resignerd by the Pistons and Okur might be the one that can escape!
     
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    Cato did good job in 4 and backup 5, but he is overpaid.
    Not to leave cato unprotected.
    M Talyor is also overpaid in backup 4/5 because of his weak defense and instable offense, let him unprotected.

    1.Rasheed is the best choice , he is solid in both 4 and 5.
    Yao/Rasheed/Cato will be great frontcourt cycle.
    2.Camby? a good choice, he can block/rebound with athletic dump.
    3.Healthy Mcdyess? a venture choice.
     
  18. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Can someone explain the rules of teh expansion draft to me? Please, i am thoroughly confused!
     
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    Here's ESPN Insider's explanation:


    Unrestricted free agents are ineligible for the expansion draft.

    Each team can protect up to eight players. If a team has less than eight players on its roster to protect, it still must leave a minimum of one player unprotected.

    The Bobcats must select a minimum of 14 players and can select a maximum of 29 players overall.

    The Bobcats can select only one player from any one NBA team.

    The Bobcats are not bound to the salary cap during the draft. They can take on as many contracts as they like. However, once the draft is over, any players they've drafted and keep will count toward their cap (it should come in at around $31 million).

    As long as the Bobcats waive a player selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, the player's remaining contract does not count against the team's salary cap.

    Restricted free agents drafted in the expansion draft automatically become unrestricted free agents.

    Teams are allowed to entice the Bobcats to select players by offering cash, draft picks or agreeing to additional trades in return.

    If a team has a player selected by the Bobcats, the team receives a trade exception equal to the player's 2004-05 salary. This allows teams to replace a player lost in the expansion draft with another player of comparable salary.


    A couple of things to clarify:

    - Charlotte will have a salary cap that is 2/3 of the other teams in the league for the upcoming season. In their second year their cap will be 3/4 of the league cap. They get the full cap in their 3rd season.

    -In the draft, Charlotted isn't restricted by the cap. They can take as much salary as they like. Any players they keep count against their cap. Any players that they cut don't count against their cap. But realize that if they take a player and cut him, the players salary doesn't count against Charlotte's cap, but Charlotte is still obligated to pay of the remaining guarenteed money on the contract. So, speculation is that Detroit will give Charlotte a 1st round pick to select Elden Campbell. Charlotte would immediately cut Campbell so he wouldn't count against their cap. But, Charlotte would have to pay Campbell the remaining 1 year @ $4M or so, that is left on his contract. So, effectively Charlotte is buying a 1st round pick for that amount. A guy like Mo Taylor has over $30M left on his deal, so there's no way Charlotte pays off that amount.
     
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  20. GATER

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    aelliott provided the info from ESPN but here is the nba.com version...

    http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/draft_central_expansion_rules_summary.html

    The last one could be pretty interesting....

    * A team will not be permitted to reacquire a player that it loses in the Expansion Draft prior to the expiration of one year from the date of the Expansion Draft, unless the player is waived and not claimed by any other team.
     

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