RM95, Why is everyone getting their panties all bunched up because someone that worked for Powell has an OPINION that he misled the public. Any thinking person knew that the case was being exagerated to make it more palatable to people. So? It was a good thing to take out Saddam, it is a major play in the Middle East for future stability.....did it work? Don't know....check back in 10 years....but I do know that what we were doing wasn't working. DD
Rocketman: Maybe you haven't been following BBS response to the charges. Since they arose, it's gone like this: treeman: They didn't lie. DaDakota: Of course they lied. All politicians lie. I don't care if they lied or not. Jorge: Waah. Crybaby lunatic liberal fringe! I support our troops! (Except when they stop contributing to society, that is....) Why don't we all watch 60 Minutes tonight and talk about it after. I'd love to know DaDakota had heard the charges on the program and still responded with a big 'so what.' It wouldn't surprise me. I'd just like to see it.
Watching 60 Minutes tonight is a very poor use of time. Why don't we debate the merits of entering WWII or perhaps we can discuss the pros and cons of making the Louisiana Purchase. All of it is *after the fact*. Debate time is over. Besides, I can't watch 60 Minutes tonight because I am volunteering this evening. I will be riding around in a van helping homeless youth by giving them sandwiches and offering them shelter. I think this is a much better use of time than what you will be doing, which is collecting evidence on which to build your petty arguments.
Another bombshell for an utterly scandal rocked administration, the American public hasn't been lied to on such a grand scale like this since Nixon.
BM Jones, I would love to watch it, but am too busy with my family. I really don't care that much about politics, I consider both sides to lie...and I vote back and forth based upon which man or women I consider to be the best choice at that moment. I think Bush is doing a good job under difficult circumstances. And Arnold represents what the majority of Americans want....less government, fiscal responsibility, and socially moderate. That is how I feel, and vote.....and I for one considered Saddam to be a threat to our country, and it was worth it to take him out and send a message to the rest of the world that we are done being punched in the face....if they want to throw a jab....we will counter with a haymaker..... Good for the USA ! DD
Hilarious. You old bleeding heart. "As long as we're talking shelf life, don't bring up Jesus to me. 'You know Bill, Jesus died for your sins...' It was a long time ago, let it go." - Bill Hicks You guys would love to put Iraq in your rear view mirror, but it's right up front and will be there when it comes time to kick the lying liars out of office and restore honor and integrity to the White House. I can't wait. Noticed you changed your sig. Nice. It's still silly, but it's an improvement.
That's cool, DD. Too bad you can't watch it though. The main premise is that Saddam was not a threat to our country. I don't blame you for thinking he was one. A great effort went into deceiving you on this point. If you're not interested in hearing about how you've been had, then you won't hear it. That's fine. But if you're willing to forgive lies which send us to war, that's exactly what you'll get. I am not willing to forgive them. I expect our president to take the loss of American lives much more seriously than that. Incidentally, not being into politics, you probably won't care about this either, but the government's never been bigger than it is under Bush. Many true conservatives are pretty pissed off about it too. But I know, you're not really interested.
BMJones, Nice condescending try my boy.....nice try...swing and a miss..... Whether or not Saddam was a threat to the USA is an opinion, not a fact. I for one, think that he would have supported terrorists in the future with potential WMD. This is borne out by the FACT that he was paying the families of suicide bombers.....he already was supporting terrorism and he was a tyrant that was brutal to his own people. He had to go...we took him down...good for us.....and good for the world.... You will still be able to whine about it and reap the benefits at the same time... DD
Coulda spent the same money and blood taking out the Loch Ness Monster and I'd get to whine and "reap the benefits." I think there are benefits to the Iraqi people, but not to Americans. And more and more Americans are coming around to the same opinion as the truth comes out. So you're for less government, fiscal responsibility and socially moderate policy. The government's never been bigger, the deficit's never been bigger and Bush is the least socially moderate of all the modern presidents. Why do you like this guy again?
I think he is doing a good job under difficult circumstances. I do not like the budget deficit for sure...but I do believe that raising taxes is not the answer..but cutting expenditures is.... First get rid of entitlements....give us control of a percentage of our Social security funds, and get rid of the marriage penalty. Then let's install a Flat tax...no loopholes, that is progressive based upon your earnings.... Truthfully, what I want will never happen, so I vote for the person that is closest to what I want...and Gore was just not it...... We shall see in 04. DD
Well I'm not exactly on the dole, DaDa. But I've been in the top income tax bracket so, like many Americans, I didn't see a dime from those unprecedented tax cuts for the richest Americans. I will, however, like everyone else, have to deal with the consequences of the historic deficit that resulted. And, of course, this unnecessary war, which costs a billion dollars and a few dead Americans a week, didn't help much either. I fully understand and appreciate the argument that the government should spend less and tax less, but that's not happening under this president. He's spending more and cutting taxes drastically for the people who least need a tax cut and are least likely to put the money back into the economy. It is bad economic policy all around and it is incredibly irresponsible. But then, he owed those guys that helped him break fundraising records and he needs their help again, so what else was he gonna do? michecon: Close the D&D? Now? Damn, son, it's just getting good.
Well hopefully it is your goal to get into that top tax bracket...I know it is one of mine....... And I would not mind paying a bit more.....I did get a benefit from this tax cut...my paychecks went up, and I got money back from the government......and I liked it..... What did that money do? My wife and I went out and invested it back into the good ole US economy.......just like most economists thought would happen. As for the war....we just disagree, I think it is our place to help the weak....but we need to be a damned sight more consistent in our implementation of it. DD
Mulder, I believe we have never actually gotten rid of the debt my boy. I think the last time that happened Eisenhower was president. DD
I hope I don't come off as un-American when I say that is not one of my top goals. It'd be nice, but I value other things more highly than having more money than I can spend. If I did have that kind of money though, I wouldn't be crying for a tax cut of the sort that would devastate the economy. By investing the money you got back you became the exception to the rule. I don't think the economists were specifically thinking of you when they spoke of money being re-invested. For the most part it's not happening. And as for helping the weak, Bush would disagree with your position there. He campaigned hard against nation-building in 2000, saying we should employ a more "humble" foreign policy and that it was not our job to fix the world's problems. What changed since then was the state of national security, which is why all the arguments for war were about the supposed threat to the US (which was a lie and which is what this thread is about). If this war's primary purpose had been to help Iraqis, they should have sold it that way so Congress and the American people could decide if that cause was worth our money and our blood. But they didn't. They built their case on a foundation of lies and exaggerations about a threat that was not real. That's what this thread's about, that's what 60 Minutes will be about tonight and that's what a big chunk of the presidential election will be about. And I repeat, I cannot wait.
