And Dawkins is correct that there is no absolute proof. Dawkins is also correct when you consider that evolution isn't in conflict with the idea of a higher power. The mechanism of evolution may just be the way that a higher power determined would be the way that intelligence came about.
I am still hoping someone will challenge B-Bob about sharks. Sharks are dumb. If they were smarter they would have had feet by now. And fists. Then they could walk up and punch people on the beach. Or they could be like the pirana and learn to fly and then attack people on the beach during large parties. Pirana kick ass. Anyway, homo sapien sapien is not that smart, either. He (misogyny for lack of energy) doesn't know anything about anything other than nothing.
one is forced to ask oneself if this is the greatest post ever. i was able to laugh even as biggio was striking out to end the game.
In summary, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Sort of.... Scientists should just focus on a time machine, and end this speculation.
1. I never denied evolution 2. one is able DOING . . not Explaining Faith that the CSI *did* their thing . . versus . . Faith in Scientist explaining something they did not *DO* It would be like having faith in me telling you how the CSI guys did it. . . apples and Oranges Rocket River
Of course it's evident that I don't believe it happened like this. I believe in 1 God and of course He could have made this all happen via evolution - I just don't believe it did. God can tell me I was wrong when I see Him. But I can look out my window and explore the world and I just can fathom that ALL this is by chance or by evolving. Sure a flipper might have fallen off or wolfs become tamed or man becomes larger (thanks McDonalds) but where did we, and all that is around us, come from? I used big bang because that is theory of the beginning and I do believe in the big bang though it is possible that that didn't happen that way either. But assuming big bang - what living organism could have survived? I assume the theory is we all began from a living organism. DNA is what make up an living organism. Was this living organism a giant spawner of mutant DNA? I know it didn't happen over lunch, but the timing had to be close to perfect for it to work. The timing of when males and females were created is somewhat important. I used amoeba because that is 1 theory of the beginning of evolution. That all this comes from 1 amoeba that is now extinct because that's what someone told you and you believe it. That's ok if you do and I don't think discounts the existence of God, but I just think it take tremendous faith to accept what scientist are saying. I think that over time we will someday realize that the world is not flat.
Uh, I think you have your time line a little confused there Art. *try this one: http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html
How does it take great faith? We can see stars and planets forming naturally. We witness stars exploding, jets of matter streaming out from black holes, and hundreds of extrasolar planets. Everything happens naturally. I have not seen a single thing that doesn't. There is nothing in this world that happens by blind chance or accident. Everything happens for a multitude of reasons. We call these reasons "chance" when we are unable to perceive them. You flip a quarter in the air and it lands on heads. You can call that chance, but there are reasons why it happened. There are natural reasons why the universe exists and there are natural reasons why humans and other life forms exists. Ultimately, there is no such thing as chance. What takes great faith is believing that things happen for no reason, like humans appearing out of thin air.
I'm no scientist and I won't pretend to play one on the bbs, but its not hard concept to understand that for one species to evolve, its predecessor doesn't have to disappear.
I think you mean: How great thou, Art! As for rimbaud's post, yeah, there are still a few loose threads here and there. Science is trying to perfect its understanding, but we still don't know why sharks haven't evolved, say, fists. Darwin brings up this unsolved question in Chapter 7 of Origin of the Species.
I once saw an episode of Man vs. Wild where Bear Grylls carved a baby shark out of a dead shark and used it to kill another shark.
My future wife (after a few years of living together, off and on), moved into the upper duplex in front of my garage apartment, two blocks from Hermann Park. A few days later, she was carrying groceries to the backdoor that led up to her pad. She spotted me digging worms under a bush, my young owl sitting on my shoulder. I said hi, and for some bizarre reason, she was smitten. That was over 33 years ago. "There is nothing in this world that happens by blind chance or accident." MR. MEOWGI, I beg to differ. True, you were talking about science, although one could bring science into an encounter like that I described, but her moving upstairs, right in front of me, as it were, was nothing but blind chance, and good luck for yours truly. I guess that would more properly be in a thread discussing blind chance or accident, fate, or an inevitable encounter explained by science. Sorry... it just popped into my head. Replicant software glitch. D&D. Impeach the Fool and His Joker.
You just said it was there was a bizarre reason then you said it was a blind chance. Which is it? There were reasons why you were there and reasons she was there. There are also reasons for our desires. Again, it only looks like chance.
The "bizarre reason" was a quip on "why me? she's beautiful and I'm a hippie with a baby owl that fell from its nest." Nothing more. Her moving in front of me, after I'd lived there for years, was blind chance. D&D. Impeach Bush and His Peaches.
But it is still part of the explanation. I would think that she wanted to meet somebody, somewhere. There isn't a single reason yall met, but rather a web of them.
Respectfully, ArtV you don't have to do so. You can audit a few college courses or buy a few books and examine all the details of the evidence and make an evaluation based on the facts for yourself. Perhaps even visit Dinosaur National Monument or a few museums. If you disagree with the facts that are presented to you based on logic then you will be much stronger in your position. It may take faith to accept what the scientists are saying without question, but the scientists aren't making their evaluations based on faith and people who examine the facts aren't making a judgment based on faith.
How is it apples and oranges? A CSI comes to a crime scene and tries to reconstruct what happened based on clues. An evolutionary scientists sees a variety of species and tries to reconstruct how that came to be based on clues.
