Evidence that Hakeem and Akeem whipped Jordan's Bulls

Jerry36 · Feb 12, 2008

FranchiseBlade said:

People who say that playoff Jordan is different than regular season Jordan need to consider '95.

Jordan was in the playoffs, and so was Hakeem. Jordan didn't make it to the finals. Hakeem won a championship.
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Now you know that was Jordan at his best, because he came back out of retirement in the middle of the season. What happen the following year the bulls dominated.

Jerry36 · Feb 12, 2008

tinman said:

Bulls wasn't good of enough to make finals in 1986
Jordan is plays on 1986 Bulls
NBA is ons tvs with CBS
theys plays music like Da Da Da Don Don Don Da Da Da Daaaaa

Hakeem angry brother Akeem made finals in 1986 with Rockets
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Why are you going back to 1986. This thread is suppose to be about the Rocket's championship team vs Bulls championship team.

Jerry36 · Feb 12, 2008

MR. MEOWGI said:

You english weren't good enough to paff the class.

Jordan lost. Rockets won.
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You need spelling classes starting with the first grade.

Icehouse · Feb 12, 2008

Jerry36 said:

Now you know that was Jordan at his best, because he came back out of retirement in the middle of the season. What happen the following year the bulls dominated.
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They got a PF, something they didn't have in 95. Why do you continue to ingore this very obvious detail?

Jerry36 · Feb 12, 2008

tinman said:

Illegal Defense was used every play by Seattle against the Rockets, they used it in the regular season and the post season until they changed the rules.

Phil Jackson the genius kept losing to Rudy T and before that, Vice president Chaney. And before that Bill Fitch was beating on Doug Collins.

I recommend you actually read some of the game recaps that I posted, even though you fear that it is truth.
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This guy just don't get it. He's still lost in regular season land making excuses. I don't want hear about illegal defenses. Seattle adjusted their defence and the Rockets didn't counter. Seattle played the Bulls and lost when it should've been the Rockets there. If the Rockets were good enough to beat the Bulls they would''ve made it to the championship and played them. It can't get no simplier than that.

tinman · Feb 12, 2008

Jerry36 said:

Why are you going back to 1986. This thread is suppose to be about the Rocket's championship team vs Bulls championship team.
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Sorry Fred,
read the thread

Evidence that Hakeem and Akeem whipped Jordan's Bulls

I guess you never met Akeem.

tinman · Feb 12, 2008

Jerry36 said:

This guy just don't get it. He's still lost in regular season land making excuses. I don't want hear about illegal defenses. Seattle adjusted their defence and the Rockets didn't counter. Seattle played the Bulls and lost when it should've been the Rockets there. If the Rockets were good enough to beat the Bulls they would''ve made it to the championship and played them. It can't get no simplier than that.
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Hey Bulls fan,
my question to you is how many times did you watch Brokeback Mountain?

Were you wearing your Hanes underwear when you were watching it?

tinman · Feb 12, 2008

Jerry36 said:

Why are you going back to 1986. This thread is suppose to be about the Rocket's championship team vs Bulls championship team.
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I'd like to go back to 1986 to give your mom some birth control.

tinman · Feb 12, 2008

Angkor Wat said:

Nobody is denying that the Rockets didn't play the Bulls in the regular season. Where did I or anyone say that? Oh and I'm not a Bulls fan, I'm a Michael Jordan fan.

Just because I've said positive things about Jordan does not make me less of a Rockets fan. I never once dissed the Rockets or talked down on them. All I did was defend Jordan when people are hating on him like he was some guy that just got lucky his entire career.
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(everyone has to read this thread by Angkor)
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=140869&highlight=marley

And you are definitely a BOB MARLEY FAN!!

tinman · Feb 12, 2008

Angkor Wat said:

I think a big misconception that people make is that Vernon locked down Jordan. That was not the case. The reason we were able to beat the Bulls so many times was a team effort. MJ averaged 29.1 PPG against the Rockets from 90-93. I guess you can say he contained Jordan but it was more a team effort than anything. MJ was always going to get his, you beat the Bulls by stopping their role players.
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Maxwell said Jordan elbowed him in the neck. "I just told him if he did it again, I was going after him," Maxwell said.
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I think there was a misconception that you know anything about music too much less the Rockets.

(everyone has to read this thread by Angkor)
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=140869

halfbreed · Feb 12, 2008

If CF.net gave lifetime achievement awards, tinman would deserve one for this thread alone.

tinman · Feb 12, 2008

halfbreed said:

If CF.net gave lifetime achievement awards, tinman would deserve one for this thread alone.
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I have to fight the endless battle against EVIL.

They think Akeem is this guy:

mdoggnic · Feb 13, 2008

tinman said:

There is a perception by some members of this board who weren't even embryos when the Dream and Jordan started in this league that Jordan's teams were better than Dreams.

I'm going to drop some facts for you. Not just scores, but articles so you can vividly read what awesomeness was dropped on the Bulls by our Houston Rockets.

I'll be the John Connor of this board and send you back in time. I want to terminate any doubt in your minds which team in red was the better team.

Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Date: SAT 10/19/1985
Section: Sports
Page: 7
Edition: 1 STAR

Rockets roll past Bulls

By FRAN BLINEBURY
Staff

CHICAGO - Just as the wet floor that briefly threatened to cancel the final exhibition game against Chicago dried up, so, too, have many of the questions concerning the Rockets' backcourt evaporated.

Now while Coach Bill Fitch continues to claim that he doesn't have all his questions answered, there is little doubt that the situation has come much more into focus following two weeks of these glorified scrimmages.

Further evidence of that was the way Mitchell Wiggins and Allen Leavell dominated the Bulls backcourt in igniting the flame in a 105-99 victory over the Bulls Friday night before a crowd of 9,342 at Chicago Stadium.

The win gives the Rockets a final 7-1 mark on exhibition season.

"I guess if you can't be 8-0, you might as well be 7-1," Fitch said. "It's nice, but winning the Grapefruit League doesn't mean anything.

"What I'm happiest about is that we never had to change our perspective on what we wanted to accomplish all through these games. When we were losing leads, we were able to stick with our kids and get them that experience and still come out on top."

But more important than a gaudy exhibition mark, the performance of the backcourt over the last fortnight has got to give Fitch - while not the feeling that he's ready to take on the Los Angeles Lakers or Boston - at least a little more peace of mind.

It was just one more solid performance from Wiggins and Leavell, both of whom have enjoyed very successful training camps. That combination enabled the Rockets to jump out to a 28-11 lead Thursday night in New York and they were the ones who fired up a 26-12 start against the Bulls.

Wiggins uncorked his outside shot, hitting 8-for-10 from the field against the Bulls and popping in 16 points, while Leavell shot over and darted through the Chicago defense for 10 points and 5 assists.

Ralph Sampson and Akeem Olajuwon added 10 points each as the Rockets built a 24-point lead in the third quarter, then held off a late Bulls charge.

Michael Jordan led the Bulls with 31 points.

While that may leave the Rockets with still a few minor questions - such as who to sit down at the end of the bench as the 11th or 12th man - Fitch has got to be satisfied with a guard rotation that will have Wiggins and Leavell backing up starters John Lucas and Lewis Lloyd, with first-round draft Steve Harris playing the role of the designated shooter.

"What I have been happy about, "Fitch said, "has been getting the chance to play different combinations of people together and getting to see what they can do in different situations."

What Fitch has seen is that Lucas, despite any overly offensive tendencies, is still the best ignition key for fast break that the Rockets possess. Meanwhile, Leavell, in training camp, for the first time in three seasons, has played aggressive, smart and heady ball and will not allow the pace of the running game to drop off when he is in the game.

Lloyd is once again filling the lanes at the one off-guard position, while the rededicated Wiggins has shown an ability to play both backcourt spots and continue to the offensive boards.

That has left the Harris to concentrate on just one role - the outside shooter - and the rookie has given indications that he'll be able to get the job done.

With those five apparently locked into jobs, it seems it's going to be a tight squeeze for a job in the final week for Craig Ehlo or Eric Turner. For it is doubtful - especially considering Robert Reid's ability to swing into the backcourt in a pinch - that the Rockets would go with than five guards.

But the ever-cautious Fitch is still issuing warnings about making conclusions.

"I think that if I were going to play one game for all the marbles tomorrow, it would be safe to say that John Lucas would be my starting point guard and Lew Lloyd would be at the other spot," Fitch said. "But beyond that, not everything is set.

"Plus, people like Ehlo and Lloyd can play more than one position. They can go to small forward.

"We've had some guys show that they can do some things well in the exhibition season and other guys who can do other things. So it's not accurate yet to say that all the questions have been answered yet."

Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Date: FRI 01/16/1987
Section: Sports
Page: 1
Edition: NO STAR

Rockets stymie charging Bulls for 107-96 win

By ALAN TRUEX
Staff

CHICAGO - A very dangerous thing happened to the Houston Rockets early in the third quarter Thursday night.

They got a 22-point lead.

Keep in mind, this is the team that blew a 21-point lead to lose a game to Phoenix a month ago.

The Rockets got their big lead against the Chicago Bulls and tried to sit on it.

So the Bulls came back, knocking 18 points off that lead. But the Rockets still managed to win, 107-96.

The Rockets had to offset a 43-point game by Michael Jordan. They did it by getting 20 or more points from three players: Robert Reid (26), Ralph Sampson (25) and Akeem Olajuwon (20).

The Twin Towers, Olajuwon and Sampson, with 15 and 14 rebounds respectively, dominated the Bulls inside. Olajuwon blocked four shots.

But despite a number of impressive individual efforts, it looked as the Rockets might let this one slip away.

"I saw what was going to happen," Reid said. "We lost that edge, killer instinct. We stood back and watched one man try to take over.

"It seemed like he was everywhere."

The one man was, of course, Jordan, who tied his own team record by taking 43 shots.

He made only 17 of the 43, but he took control of the game for half of the third quarter and most of the fourth.

"In the end," Rockets Coach Bill Fitch said, "we were getting tired, making errors and dropping the ball."

One problem is they are shorthanded, following the banishment of Mitchell Wiggins and Lewis Lloyd for cocaine abuse. Also, reserve forward Buck Johnson has missed 11 games with a hyperextended right knee.

But down the stretch, with Chicago trailing by four, at 88-84 and again at 90-86, Reid hit 20-foot jump shots to keep his team from getting caught.

Chicago Coach Doug Collins said, "These guys are so big they give everyone a problem. Sampson got a great streak going where he was hitting everything he put up.

"And then when we tried to force them to hit jumpers from the outside, Reid hit them.

"They are a poised team, a team that's been to the finals, and the way they played tonight is a sign of a team that's been there before."

Jordan said, "They played well tonight and controlled the inside. They clogged it up and we couldn't get our inside game going. We let them get too far ahead and then used a lot of energy trying to get back into the game."

Jordan was slightly off on his shooting and was suffering from a bruised right shoulder. He hit only eight of 19 shots in the first half as the Rockets ran up a 57-48 lead.

Had it not been for seven turnovers in the first quarter, the Rockets might have buried the Bulls early.

In the first half, Houston shot 61 percent form the floor (to 40 percent for Chicago), and the Rockets had a 30-17 rebounding advantage.

It wasn't that the Rockets were unleashing one of their furious fast-break assaults. They simply waltzed to a number of easy baskets as the Bulls were offering no resistance.

Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Date: SAT 02/04/1989
Section: Sports
Page: 1
Edition: 3 STAR

Rockets take Air out of Bulls' sails/Defense, balance the difference

By EDDIE SEFKO
Staff

It was a night to be Air or be square.

So the Rockets slicked back their hair, pulled on a pair of glasses with thick, black frames and put on a nerd-inspiring performance.

It wouldn't have appealed to the taste buds of the beautiful people. But at this stage, the Rockets aren't picky about the nature of their wins. They'll put on plaid pants with striped shirts if it'll help the situation.

The Rockets successfully contained the glamorous Air Jordan Show with one of their best defensive games of the season to take a 105-98 victory over the Bulls at The Summit on Friday night.

Defense, the hard-nosed kind, and a methodical, balanced offense - exactly the opposite of Chicago's - were the primary reasons the Rockets were able to bounce back from their loss to the Los Angeles Lakers earlier in the week.

"We did a great job on the defensive end," said Sleepy Floyd, who had 19 points and 8 assists. "We've had better games, but this was one of our best of the season defensively."

How good was it?

Jordan was 1 of 6 in the fourth quarter, when the Rockets stubbornly clutched a lead that bounced from 4 to 10 points.

Overall, the Bulls were 8 of 21 (38 percent) in the final quarter.

They also suffered 22 turnovers, most of them the result of 14 steals by the Rockets.

"Our game was very sound, but our turnovers beat us," Chicago Coach Doug Collins said. "They got 32 points in the third quarter, basically off our turnovers."

The Rockets took the lead for good early in the third quarter when they scored 8 points in 48 seconds on their way to a 73-59 lead. The Bulls never got closer than 4 points the rest of the way.

"I think we played great defense," said Akeem Olajuwon, who had 20 points as all five Rockets starters scored in double figures. "That was the difference in the game."

That and "limiting" Jordan to 29 points, 10 assists and 6 rebounds.

"Limiting" is the proper word since Jordan was 6 points under his average.

There were no 40- or 50-point outbursts by Jordan, the league's best scorer. He's capable of erupting for enormous point totals without notice. But the Rockets contained him with Mike Woodson providing a solid defensive effort and the rest of the Rockets helping to corral Jordan whenever he shook loose.

"Our main goal was to get the ball out of his hands," Coach Don Chaney said. "The guy can score every time he touches the ball. So we tried to make him give it up."

Jordan did, and while Bill Cartwright had 17 points, the Bulls didn't have enough firepower to support their star.

On several occasions, crisp Jordan passes were mishandled or simply weren't seen coming by the intended recipient.

"We let that little trap of theirs really affect us," Jordan said. "We didn't play particularly well, but we still had a chance to win down the stretch."

Indeed they did. The Bulls had stayed even with the Rockets through the first half, which featured 14 ties. Neither team led by more than 3 points in the second quarter.

Early in the third quarter, the Rockets fell behind 55-52 when Cartwright canned a baseline jumper and converted a three-point play.

But the Rockets began heating up from the outside with Woodson (7 of 12) and Purvis Short (7 of 12) igniting an 11-2 surge, which landed them a 63-57 lead.

The smidgen of momentum blossomed into something big, and it didn't take long.

They got ahead 73-59 and seemed to be on the brink of dusting the Bulls.

But, as is their tradition, the Rockets couldn't put the visitors away.

Despite the 14-point lead, the Rockets found themselves nursing an 88-84 advantage with just under nine minutes left in the game.

A Jordan free throw with 5:47 to go kept the Bulls within 92-87, but only served to set up the play of the game as far as the Rockets were concerned.

Floyd took an outlet pass on a fast break and went the length of the floor.

He was fouled on the drive by Jordan and made an incredible, overhead left-handed shot, bringing The Summit crowd to its feet for the first time of the night.

"When it's rolling," Chaney said, "it's rolling."

The free throw put the Rockets up 95-87 and the lead became 10 when Olajuwon hit a shot off a spin move moments later.

The Bulls climbed back into the game behind Jordan, who scored 4 points to help Chicago get within 97-93 with 2:52 to play.

Thorpe, who scored 17 points, then drove through the lane and converted a three-point play with 2:32 to play, lengthening the lead back to 7 points. The Bulls got within 102-98 when John Paxson hit another 3-point shot with a minute to play.

After a Rockets miss, the Bulls had an opportunity to get within 2, but Craig Hodges fired up a hasty shot that clanged off the iron.

Floyd's free throw pushed the lead to 103-98 with 26 seconds to go, clinching the win that moved Houston's record to 26-17.

Afterward, all the Rockets could muster was a sigh of relief.

"To lose this game would have really hurt team morale," said Floyd.

"Now we can put the LA game behind us."

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You couldn't find any articles in the Houston Post?

Deckard · Feb 13, 2008

Cohen said:

Should probaby be a sticky for eternity.
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No kidding, tinman. Thanks for such great posts on my 30th wedding anniversary. And the constant in the game summaries from the Max era is mention of his sterling defense on Jordan.

Kudos, tinman!

Shroopy2 · Feb 13, 2008

Jerry36 said:

When Jordan came back in 95, he was nowhere near his playing ability. You know what happen in 96 don't you?
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Jordan against: DREXLER, Elie, Horry

Hakeem against: Bill Wennington...Will Perdue, Luc Lungley....

The odds favor ?

tinman · Feb 13, 2008

Deckard said:

No kidding, tinman. Thanks for such great posts on my 30th wedding anniversary. And the constant in the game summaries from the Max era is mention of his sterling defense on Jordan.

Kudos, tinman!
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congrats Deckard!

I don't care about the rookies, I just want respect from my fellow clutchfans who saw the same games I saw. We know. We were there.

We suffered the bad years, the Oilers, the Mets, but we'll never take for granted what these Rockets have done and the best Houston Sports Athlete of all time. Hakeem... and his angry brother Akeem

Deckard · Feb 13, 2008

tinman said:

congrats Deckard!

I don't care about the rookies, I just want respect from my fellow clutchfans who saw the same games I saw. We know. We were there.

We suffered the bad years, the Oilers, the Mets, but we'll never take for granted what these Rockets have done and the best Houston Sports Athlete of all time. Hakeem... and his angry brother Akeem
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Thanks! I can't believe how long we've been married. Almost as long as I've been married to this team.

IROC it · Feb 13, 2008

tinman said:

Jordan did face Hakeem and Akeem
Dream beat him no matter what version of his shoes were out .
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In my sig!

Bravo on the thread!

tinman · Feb 13, 2008

IROC it said:

In my sig!

Bravo on the thread!
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thanks!

the belittlement and lack of education of the Rockets championships by the "Jordan" topic is the most sensitive topic to a true Rockets fan. Obviously it pissed off the Rockets themselves like Dream and Mario. They beat the Bulls on the court, and its our job as Rockets fans to remember that. In the 80s and the 90s, any denial of our domination would be an insult to TWO DECADES OF ROCKETS BASKETBALL.

And people on our side need to stop hating on MJ too...
Stop it, just stop it!

He just had some bad skin condition. leave Mike alone!

IROC it · Feb 13, 2008

Almost forgot to add the trademark...

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