Evidence that Hakeem and Akeem whipped Jordan's Bulls

If you take Rodman or Grant out of the team, then the Bulls wouldnt won all the titles. and thats what happened in 95, they didnt have a star PF in their roster.

 

Jordan will tell you anything off the court. When it comes to winning a championship he will put a stake through your heart on the court. My whole argument is if the rockets could beat the Bulls, they would have met the bulls in the finals and won. But they didn't, so the bulls were the better team. That's the only way you're going to prove you can beat the Bulls.

 

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MY whole argument is if the Bulls could beat the Rockets, they would have met the Rockets in the finals and won. But they didn't, so the Rockets were the better team. That's the only way you're going to prove you can beat the Rockets.

See what I did there? Your whole argument is worthless.

 

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Look Jerry, you're getting so much grief because you're completely dismissing the FACT that the Bulls had their roughest games and series against teams with a dominant big man, and the Rockets had the best damn big man of that era. Every team has someone who has their number. For the Bulls, it was us, and the Bulls were fortunate that we were in different conferences because the Rockets were the ONLY TEAM in the NBA with a winning record against them. We were the ONLY TEAM who could beat them and DID beat them.

I'll tell you this here and now: As a Rockets fan, I was never, not even once, remotely concerned when we played the Bulls. I expected the Rockets to beat them, and the Rockets did beat them. The only team I was EVER afraid of playing was Seattle. That's it. I'd put my Rockets up a thousand times against your Bulls or any other team in what was a stacked era of NBA basketball. But Seattle....no friggin' way. They owned us and I HATED playing them. In fact, most Rockets fans will tell you that it was Seattle who cost us another championship. Someone else knocked them out of the race in 94-95 and I couldn't have been happier. In fact, we blew up our whole damn championship team just to get Barkley SO WE COULD GET PAST SEATTLE. No one in Houston was afraid of Chicago.

As a Rockets fan, I wasn't scared of MJ and the Bulls. Just those wretched Sonics and their constant illegal D on Dream.

 

My points and arguments exactly. Great post!!

 

It doesn't matter what Jordan tells you off the court only if he proves something different on the court. Jordan never did. In, on the court match ups the Rockets beat the Bulls almost every time. So Jordan's word off the court only match up with the results on the court.

Jordan and the Bulls could not make it back to the finals in '95. The Rockets did and won.

The one real way to prove a team is better than another team is to beat them consistently, and that is exactly what the Rockets did to Jordan and the Bulls. You can't argue against that because the games are in the record books.

Are you going to tell me that someone with the competitive fire and drive to be the best that Jordan had, would slack off against the one team that owned his Bulls on the court? If he would, then he isn't the great competitor every one seems to think he is.

 

Well, that's pretty obvious. Take any key player from any championship team and they will struggle to win it all.

 

That is flawed reasoning because since Bulls didn't beat the Rockets in the Finals either so there is now way to say the Bulls are the better team. In light of that we don't know exactly what would happen if they met looking at the available facts, regular season meetings and comments by the players. Would show that the Rockets very well likely could've have beat them. You are just ignoring all of that which to me shows a bias and not an objective view at all.

 

You can if and what about the regular season all you want. When it came to winning championships the Bulls were clearly the better team hands down. End of Discussion.

 

Clearly they were the better finals team because they won more rings. But that doesn't mean they would have been better head to head.

Looking at every available piece of information that exists, it appears that the Rockets would have the edge against the Bulls.

The Rockets beat the Bulls. That's all there is to it. You are rationalizing your belief. You are making excuses about Jordan in '95, and you are making excuses to wash away the head to head record of the Rockets and the Bulls during their championship years.

You are providing no facts, statements, comparisons, statistics, or anything else to back up your rationalizations.

 

again? i thought we ended it already. didn't you hear? the rockets were better. sorry you didn't get that. :grin:

 

But that's not what this thread is about.

 

You can win all the head to head battles in the regular season because it doesn't mean nothing. But when it came to the playoffs the bulls were winning championships. Teams are define by how many championships they win not by head to head regular season records. You play to win the championship that says you're the best in the league.

 

You are simply ignoring the very valid arguments of anyone in this thread that has responded to you, myself included. You repeat this mantra kow-towing to "the greatness of Jordan's Bulls," and the numerous responses are now being met with, essentially, "you are wrong and I am right... so there!! (sniff, whine, rinse and repeat)" That, with all due respect, makes you a troll. All you are doing now is trying to stir things up with nonsensical rubbish. That's too bad, because why would anyone here take you seriously in the future?

 

Yeah, I've made my last outreach here to try and discuss actual real available evidence.

 

Again, is Jordan not the real competitor everyone believes him to be?

The Bulls with Jordan with weren't winning any championships in '95. Your argument falls flat right there. In the playoffs when it counted most, Jordan's Bulls couldn't stop a team with a dominant center that could clog up the pain and stop penetration. They were the second best team at doing that, and Jordan and the Bulls couldn't get past them to make it to the finals. Now apply that knowledge to a hypothetical game against the best team at playing that kind of game, and the match ups favor the Rockets.

When you are talking about hypothetical match up, looking at head to head competitions in the regular season isn't perfect, but it's far better evidence to look at than you just guessing the Bulls would win just because...

 

Now 500 posts in this debate between Jerry and Clutchfans. Nice.