Evidence that Hakeem and Akeem whipped Jordan's Bulls

One other point that is being relatively ignored is that Jordan WAS there in 95. He just didn't make it. Him and his team got dismantled by Shaq (hmm...another dominating center?) and his Magic. That was the same Magic we SWEPT!

Of course the'll say Jordan was still in the middle of his comeback, wasn't ready yet. Uhh...he averaged over 30 points, more than the next few years in teh playoffs.

Jordans Bulls were great. They were the best overall team of that era. However they had no answer for Hakeem as evidenced by head to head matchups in the late 80s early 90s.

 

When we are talking about Rockets' winning streaks over the Bulls in the 90's it's important to remember that the teams only played twice a year. So the Rockets were sweeping the Bulls for a couple of years running.

 

No homo, I LOVE HAKEEM!

 

right, and the bulls won 5 straight over the Rox during their run.

you mention that the rox beat the bulls with sleepy floyd and the gang, whereas the Bulls went .500 against the rox championship teams WITHOUT the best player on earth. What's the point?

As I stated earlier, my only issues in this debate are the people saying I am biased, calling them "my Bulls", or saying I'm using flawed logic.

They are not my Bulls.

I have already explained how I am not Biased, and have already recalled some Rockets memories of mine that I had when I was ten years old.

I am using the SAME exact logic that was being used in this thread: Stats, head to head, points per game, etc. And guess what? ITS TOTALLY FLAWED LOGIC!!!!

The points I was trying to prove:

1. If someone believes the Bulls wouldve beaten the Rox, they are not a hater.

2. Just because you dont live in Houston, you are not a hater.

3. If you argue the Bulls were better, it doesnt mean you "arent educated", or are "blinded by Stern/Nike/Gatorade".

I come in here, and I'll say it again, I LOVE ROCKETS FAN. Seriously guys, you are awesome. The passion, the love, the knowledge.....that's why I've enjoyed visiting. Its not like I'm getting paid.

I just also saw some serious bias, and a little bit of conspiracy-baiting. To be honest, I recognize that thinking....it usually goes with people who use the internet a lot + being a fan of an underdog team.

In other words, we have plenty in Sac.

I hope we can all agree it is a wonderful debate, and we all wish we couldve seen it.

I now know if I ever bring my radio show down there, what my first show topic will be...

 

carmichael,

you make some good points. But you kept repeating yesterday that "the rockets couldn't even get to the finals in the other 6 years", somehow using that as logic for them not being good enough to beat Jordan's Bulls in the Rockets' championship years.

But the fact that the Rockets couldn't get to the finals to meet the Bulls says nothing about whether they could or could not have beat the Bulls in those years. Obviously you have to get there first.. but as tinman has said, he's talking about how we matched up with the Bulls.. (not the different Western Conf. opponents it took to get there)

 

I did just that on the previous page.....

In the span you mentioned, the Bulls and Rox went 8-8.....but according to tinfoil that was total rox domination. By the way, the Bulls cumulatively outscored the Rox by 3 points over that span.

Then Tinfoil says that the logic is flawed, and of course you cant count anything after the Rox won their titles.

So, the two teams ALSO went .500 during the Rox title years, all 4 games played without Michael Jordan.

I dont see how any of that is biased, its public record. I'm just using tinfoil's own logic against him, without saying things like "you're a rookie", or "let me educate you".

Those are internet bully tactics, and e-bullies need an e-smack sometimes.

 

Right.

But Tinfoil knows for a FACT that the Rox wouldve won, which is laughable considering they couldnt make it
ONE year the Bulls were there, and the Bulls had to beat the best team in the WC to win the title.

If this thread was titled "Boy, the Rox might've been a tough matchup for the Bulls" I would have no issue.

I'm not the one making outlandish and disrespectful statements based on "my gut" or "what i saw".

 

I have a much bigger question. Why is there even a debate?

Nationally, every time you hear something about the rockets championships there's a verbal asterisk attached to it.

There are plenty of occasions where you can say a team only won a championship for whatever reason but usually the media gives championship teams the respect of not speculating. That's not the case with the rockets' championships. Instead its not even thought of as speculation, as if its just a fact. I don't think tinman was trying to e-bully anyone he was just showing that there are two sides to that coin.

THERE ARE NO FACTS, WE NEVER PLAYED AGAINST EACH OTHER IN THE PLAYOFFS but carmichael dave-like ideas are broadcasted everywhere as fact when THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A CLAIM EITHER WAY.

tinman's claims are just as logical as carmichael dave's. I and most rocket fans would be happy if there was no debate. But there is. Should we just sit there and let everyone dog us when there is no real evidence to support this speculation?

 

Pmac-

Here's the thing: I didnt roll in here dropping smack about how there was an asterisk....I was DRAGGED into this thread, and I'm using tinfoil's same logic against him.

You're right, there are no facts, but I'm not offering to "educate rookies" by stating that the Rox wouldve whooped the Bulls.

Its not carmichael dave-like ideas, all I'm doing is posting the same numbers back at tinfoil.

Don't label me what you might label other members of the media.

 

AHHHHHHH........

I was waiting for the inevitable BACKTRACK.

Nice that after all these pages of e-bullying, you finally are starting to shape your argument.

Ok, so if we narrow it down to regular season, certain years, certain games, certain arenas, certain uniforms, certain mascots, etc: I guess you might have a point. Hahahahaha. Wow.

Here are some more facts I can drop on you, and they require less research.

In the 3 years MJ was winning titles BEFORE the Rox won their two, the ROCKETS NEVER MADE THE FINALS. Therefore, THEY WERENT EVEN THE BEST TEAM IN THEIR CONFERENCE.

End of that argument.

In the 2 years that the mighty Rockets won their titles, they went TWO AND TWO against the Michael Jordan-less Bulls.

So leaving out the later years, for some reason (so you can hold on to this lame, outdated, biased argument)......and looking at the first 5:

Rockets 0-3 in even GETTING TO THE DANCE FLOOR

Rockets .500 against MJ-less Bulls in both title years.

Dude, in using your OWN matchup logic against you, the Bulls were better than the Rockets during their title years, unless you are going to argue that the Bulls aren't a better team with MICHAEL JORDAN, which to be honest I could really see you argue.

Give it up. Its over. No one will ever prove who wouldve won between the two teams, but I think its pretty obvious that your logic and research proves nothing, which you have so gleefully assumed .

Respond to those FACTS.

 

And as I mentioned a page or two ago, please show me the pictures of those "We beat the Bulls in the regular season" banners up at the Toyota Center.

Here:

Go to www.google.com

Oops.

Leave the trailer park, go to the library, and ask to use the internet.

Then

Go to www.google.com

Click on "images"

Then search for "Banners hanging from the Toyota Center rafters showing the Rockets beat the Bulls in the regular season"

I'll wait.