Evidence that Hakeem and Akeem whipped Jordan's Bulls

Damn, I couldnt go to bed without doing the math.

Over those same 8 years, the Bulls and Rockets went 8-8.

However, unless my math is wrong (which it could be)

The Bulls outscored the Rockets 1,544 to 1,541.

That proves beyond any doubt that the Bulls were the better team, especially considering that 4 of those 16 games were without perhaps the greatest player in NBA history. That proves it right?? RIGHT????

AND....

In the two years the Rox won the titles, when they played the Bulls without MJ, they went 2-2, and outscored them ONLY 363-358.

So in four games without MJ playing, the super indestructible Rockets could only outscore them by FIVE POINTS?????

There. There's all your goofy stats back atcha.

Either way:

6-2

Scoreboard.

 

LOOK UP IN THE RAFTERS OF TOYOTA CENTER, RESPECT THOSE BANNERS THAT SAY "WE WENT .500 AGAINST THE BULLS IN THE REGULAR SEASON", BECAUSE TINMAN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THEM.

 

CD,

I think you just broke the record for most consecutive posts. I used to have a problem with that and I think my personal record was like 4 or 5.

Next time, collect your thoughts, post them and wait for a response before pouring out 6 additional posts. It's good forum etiquette.

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Having said that, this debate will never end. The fact is though that because of the media hype during those years, most people who didn't really watch both the Rockets and the Bulls closely enough would lean toward your argument.

I am assuming you didn't really watch either team closely enough to be doing anything more than buying into the hype - which is the easy thing to do - or offering opinions based on limited knowledge. Most of what you are saying is based on viewing a few games, most of which were probably of the Bulls, and things you heard from the Jordan-centric media 15 years ago.

 

OOh, I can play the "selective archive research"game too!!

Watch, I'll also bold things for effect!!!

 

Hey Brooks-

I apologize for the continuous posts. If there was an edit post feature, I would gladly have merged them.

To be honest, I just started delving into this, I am really an NBA student, and I think this is a fascinating debate. Everytime I was off to bed, something would click, I would look it up, and then post again. Crazy me.

Look, this split off of the Howard-Yao debate, in which tinman and a few others begged/dared/insulted me into coming over here and debating this.

I have a major problem when people assume things about me, based on which side of a debate I'm on. The truth is, I couldnt stand Jordan's Bulls, and have always had a thing for the Rockets.

As a kid, before the Kings were a big deal in Sacramento, we kids would basically attach ourselves to a team. I hated the Warriors, and all my friends were Laker fans. I would rather kill myself with a toothpick than EVER root for the Lakers, so I became a Celtic fan through my love of Larry Bird (and choosing the other side of the Laker/Celtic rivalry).

I remember sitting on the floor as the Sampson hook hit the back of the rim, and then bounced through to vanquish the hated Lakers, and for the first time rooted against the Celtics in the Finals. That was my first experience with the Rockets, and I loved it. My favorite player was Jim Peterson, if you could believe that.

When the Rox won the finals, I was all over it. Sammy Cassell is from my school, FSU, and I wanted him to get a title Soooo badly. Also, Otis Thorpe was an original King, and we drafted Petey Chilcutt. I still remember the day we drafted Kenny the Jet out of North Carolina with (i believe) pick #7, the first of many Sacramento King #7 picks (Smith, Lionel Simmons, Jason Williams, etc).

Those are 3 players (but especially Jet and Sammy) that I had major ties to. I couldnt have cared less about NY or Orlando. Trust me when I say, I do NOT have an anti-Rox bias, nor am I buying into the pro-Jordan hype.

Can't someone honestly bring up the Bulls/Rox debate without being biased?

I think there is an inherent danger in judging too soon, and I am having fun tweaking this argument because it was made through homer glasses.

That's why they call them fans (fanatics).

And that's why God invented sports bars.

 

I am truly excited for Tinmans response........Great posts Dave!



Tinman has been tested................

 

Boy, do I agree. Your Bulls-bias is just sickening.

And btw, those 96-98 Rox teams just weren't the same, so kudos for proving nothing.

 

Oh boy this thread is old school but as a younger fan I learned a lot.

Maybe sometime in the future Rockets and Bulls will renew rivalry?

Sometime... I say because Bulls are miles away from being championship contender. Oh well what am I talking about because it will never be the same as it was once.

And to add that regular games don't give nothing to me, I wish Rockets and Bulls met in the Finals but hey then this thread wouldn't be so important.

 

Stats.. nah Tinman is like Bush, he goes with his gut. Facts/stats? F that, its meaningless. It's one thing to be a fan but stop being crazy. What's up with the communist mentality here. Tinman needs to chillax, and accept everyone's POV from new and old fans, and have a constructive discussion rather than calling everyone Rockets haters. Does not help the fan base. No one is dissing the rockets as he is trying to portray. He has some mental issue, it always we against them mentality (again Bush). Tinman, repeat again, NEW FANS ARE GOOD FOR THE ROCKETS AND FOR THIS WEBSITE. Got it?

 

On a Rockets fan site? You'd find Osama Bin Laden before that ever happens.

 

its' a fact Jordan openly admitted to not wanting to ever face the Rockets in the playoffs. Really it was because even though he could have got the best of Clyde it would have been a battle because we had a big time shot blocker to erase some mistakes and who in the hell could even remotely guard Hakeem Longley huge in our favor then when we didn't have Clyde, Vernon was arguably Jordans biggest competitor when they played he got up to play MJ. The regular season record against them speak for themselves.

 

I agree, but this statement would be true if we utterly dominated them in the regular season games. I don't think we did but it would be interesting to see the record between the two teams from 92-98 to understand if there is a sign.

I do agree that Hakeem is a nightmare to guard but lets face it, Bulls beat the best from the west. We can't blame them if we couldn't make it to the finals. It would be similar to saying we could have beaten the Celtics last year had we met them in the finals because they don't have an answer for Yao (if he wasn't hurt).

 

its not a rookie assessment. i am the biggest rockets fan like the next...lived thru that era...and i hated the bulls but no matter what you show me on paper (and i know the rox killed the bulls many times), the fact of the matter is the rockets never made the finals during the time the the bulls made the finals.

we can look at the season games but playoffs/finals are a different story. cavs swept the spurs in the season, but spurs killed them in the finals. ali vs tyson? hakeem vs prime kareem? you can only speculate something that hasn't ever occured.

 

Give up on this Tinman. Carmichael is using flawed logic and irrelevant stats to prove his point. He doesnt understand fundamental concepts...especially that the game is about matchups. Over the past few years, the mavericks have shown themselves to be a better team than the warriors, but head to head, the warriors were a terrible matchup for the mavericks.

And btw, I think the mid-90's team was better than the early 90's. Championships aside, Horry was a huge upgrade over Buck Johnson.