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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Alimoe84, Jan 9, 2005.

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Who is to blame for the Beltran debacle??

  1. Carlos Beltran

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  2. Scott Borass

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  3. Drayton McLane and Tim Purpura

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  4. MLB rules

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  5. other (please explain)

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  1. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    but who do you get, bigboy??? this offseason, i mean.
     
  2. NJRocket

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    I think Soriano would be a nice start
     
  3. bigboymumu

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    Teams are still trying to get rid of contracts. Ordonez is one year removed from an MVP caliber season. Soriano is out there... I bet the Brewers have players available...
     
  4. JPM0016

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    And he's also a Scott Boras client. Ordonez isn't happening
     
  5. swilkins

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    I enjoyed this. Thanks.

    Funny thing is that I have been listening to 610 since the early nineties and here for a few years and never connected you with the same guy they mention on 610. And quite frequently I might add. I tend to overlook the obvious on occasion.

    Great job.
     
  6. bigboymumu

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    I remember you guys discussing that in another thread. Why can't we get Ordonez?
     
  7. JPM0016

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    Do you really think that Drayton and co. would really want to negotiate with Boras again? Just a feeling, but i'd say no, absolutely not.
     
  8. rezdawg

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    This is quite humorous.

    Let me know the real difference between 105 million (in Texas) versus 119 million (in New York).

    The contracts are almost identical. If he is willing to sacrifice being on a good team, living in a low key city, warm weather, etc... for only a couple million dollars when he already has a 9 digit salary, then he's got some serious issues. And if you dont see this, then you've got some serious issues as well.

    Bottom line, Beltran used the Astros like a pawn. We were the tool and he got every penny out of another team because he made it seem like we were really an option.
     
  9. Bogey

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    For those saying that once you put all your offseason into getting Beltran, you better get him, how high would you go to pay him?
    As high as it takes is not a good answer. The Astros don't know what the Mets were offerring. They could have been bidding against themselves, which I think they were for a while. That's how you end up like the Rangers with an A-Rod type salary that you have to hope the Yankees or Redsox will eventually take off your hands.
    The Astros gave it there best shot, but came up short b/c Beltran is all about the money.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Oh, I don't know..... maybe include a no-trade clause. Which apparently is ALL IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN.
     
  11. rezdawg

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    If you actually believe that something so easy to "fix" was the real deal breaker, then youve got to go back and reevaluate everything you have posted....ever.

    That point could have been hammered out in an hour. With weeks of contract negotiations, this was not the reason Beltran didnt land in Houston.
     
  12. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Beltran said it was the reason.

    "This is a game where you've got to look at what's best for you and your family," Beltran said. "In Houston, we almost got to an agreement. They wanted to sign me for seven years but they didn't want to give me a no-trade clause. I'm not going to make a commitment for seven years knowing they don't have the same commitment to keep me for seven years."

    http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/37913.htm

    Care to amend your last post, rezdawg? Ouch.
     
  13. BSW

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    Questions for you...

    What was Pujols contract?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=6619

    What was Vlads contract?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5737

    Now why does a player of less caliber deserve more than those two?

    When it comes to comparing them....those two are better players than Beltran ever has been or will be.

    The only reason Beltran's contract got so high was for his performance in the playoffs.

    Look at his stats.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=6132
     
  14. BSW

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    and....btw...I will be booing him everytime he comes to the plate.

    Money hungry....well, I would say more...but it is not very nice.
     
  15. bigboymumu

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    This is business. Boras didn't do anything wrong. He didn't pull a "Boozer". I don't think there is bad blood between the Astros and Boras.
     
  16. JPM0016

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    I'm sure the Astros didn't mind being toyed with for nearly 4 months. I don't think you'll ever see the Astros talk with a Boras client again.
     
  17. MadMax

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    i bet there is. judging by purpura's comments and his tone during that press conference...i bet there is.
     
  18. MadMax

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    but i thought you said it was because Drayton is cheap?? :confused:
     
  19. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Oh, it most certainly does boil down to Drayton being cheap. Think about it for a moment: Why would Drayton refuse to budge on a seemingly trivial issue such as a no-trade clause? Hmm.. maybe because he wants to trade him in the future. There is no other reason. By signing Beltran to a $100mm deal, Drayton looks like he isn't cheap. However, Drayton's intentions were likely to pay 2-3 years of the contract, then trade him. This way, he appeases the fans who want Beltran back, but still doesn't have to shell out $100mm to the player.

    Look, Max, you are always going to defend Drayton for whatever reason -- probably because of his Baylor ties. (btw -- How's Sloan working out for you guys? You can thank Drayton for that too.) If you can't recognize that Drayton choked in this negotiation, then I'm afraid your green and gold goggles are obstructing your view.
     
  20. Lynus302

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    Chance, you've made this situation not quite as painful. Keep it up, man.
     

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