That's coaching. If you watch the games (and I know you do), you can see that the minute we shoot the ball, the whole team starts running to get back on defense. Most of the time it's before the ball even hits the rim. IMO, that's what they are coached to do. JVG emphasizes transition D more than offensive rebounding.
I do hope we can get into the playoffs.... but we can't continue playing like this.... yes.... we need time to gel, but having a losing record going into All-star weekend (the time lots of ppl think this team will start to shine) will be tough.... especially in the West.... it will be really hard to come back and make the playoffs.....
I think people saw what we were capable of with Francis as our leader. The decision was made to gamble for the chance that we could try for more. In a gamble you can either win or lose, but if we stayed pat then we most likely would have gotten more of the same. Francis is doing better in Orlando, and he was given more freedom, to run the game his way. Is that what anyone on this board was calling for? It seems like most of what was heard, was we need to get Yao more involved, play under control, etc. Did anyone here propose that the way to improve was to put the ball in Francis' hands and run with a more atheletic team around him? Despite Francis' mistakes and poor decisions, it appears that letting him run his way is what it would have taken to get more out of our team. I don't think anyone was willing to move in that direction. We made the gamble to try and improve. I am glad we did, and I'm still not ready to call that gamble a loss. But if does end up a loss, then we lost. It's better to face it rather than try and detract from what Francis is doing in Orlando.
That is exactly what I told my friends: every time a Rockets player shoots a mid range jumper, other players start running back before the ball hits the rim.
I'm sure the guy who started this thread wasn't trying to shove Steve's success, in fact it was more about JVG. And if you feel that someone discussing what Steve is doing in Orlando is shoving it in your face, maybe you should look in the mirror and stop hating so much. That's ridiculous.
Please man, you're the epitome of shoving steve is our face. You only post to either show how bad we now have it or how well steve is doing whenever you 'see the magic highlights' You should look in the mirror and what kind of loser gets joy out of making sure we're all 'sorry for losing steve'. Isn't that what you want? I hope you're around when we start doing well...although I doubt you'll raise a finger to compliment the ones that deserve it as you'll be too busy trying to find out what we're missing without 'the franchise'.
Quit being a baby. You sound pathetic. BTW since YOU brought up the thread, last night Van Chancellor said the Magic were the number one team in fast break points. IN YO FACE
You're a real class act pgabriel. Kudos to you. I bet you're the happiest 'rockets fan' in the world right now...
Individually Francis is +1.5 on the court , the TEAM net is -3.8, due to Orlando's great bench play which adds +5.3. The positive bench number stats cannot be compared accurately to Francis's since they only play a limited amount of time. What about all the other stats, that show Francis is having an effective season? He's 18th in the nba in efficiency, thats ahead of Hill, Yao , and TMAC. What about this link: http://www.82games.com/04ORL2D.HTM Francis adds PLUSES to all of these stats: Net Points per 100 Possessions,Net Points, Effective FG%, Assisted Field Goals, Offensive Rebounding, Defensive Rebounding, Total Rebounding, Free Throws Made, Free Throws Attempted, Fouls, Drawn Also your 2nd link shows that the most effective team is 5 Francis-Hill-Turkoglu-Howard-Cato. Grant Hill is having a great season, but so is Francis. Trying to belittle Francis, by saying Jameer Nelson could fill in and take his role is really showing some blind hatred. Nelson is averaging 4.5 pts on 35.8 FG% 12.5 3pt% and 2.2 ast, but I'm sure if he had more playing time he'd put up 21pts, 7reb, and 6ast
All kidding aside SRF, you are being a baby. This thread wasn't started to bash the Rockets outside of JVG. The thread you referenced, I started to demostrate the fallacy that Francis prevented this team from being an effective fast break team. It says nothing about this team. Francis is going to be a topic of discussion all year, when doing well and not so well. So quit crying about it, its weak.
You know, I thought I would be cordial about the trade and not create threads about how bad Francis was doing at times...god knows I could've made some earlier...but when things have not worked out for us, OUT come the francis jock sniffers and haters. Hmm, the season is young pgabriela, I hope you don't start any weak crying later on...of course, you might have used up all your crying after the trade, so I could understand why you're bitter.
I think that is why folx are pissed now TOO MUCH CONTROL and YAO IS STILL NOT AS INVOLVED AS WE WOULD LIKE Is he even in the top 3 in shots per game? If not. . then something is WRONG WRONG WRONG! I think the reason folx Bring up Francis is WE BLAMED EVERYTHING ON HIM and the same sh*t is still happening. . . NOW WHAT the fact that Francis is doing well . .just reinforces the point people who defended him made. . . He was NOT the problem . .or at least not the TOTAL Problem He *can* play good ball This I think is an Attack on JVG if it is an attack at all MicroManagement SUCKS Rocket River
The last 2 years the rockets have tried to revolve the offense around Yao. While the offensive system is average at best i don't think that is the biggest problem, rather having your franchise go to player not progressing like a franchise player who can carry a team on his back. When you build around an inconsistent player, you're going to be an inconsistent team. The day Yao starts grabbing rebounds, establishing low block position and getting more than 12/13 shots a game is the day you'll see this franchise take a turn for the better.
The big question for us is CAN THAT HAPPEN IN JVG's SYSTEM? Setting stupid picks that expose him to offensive fouls leaves him out of rebounding position and not in the low post at all As long as JJ shooting 18 shots a game. . . . Rocket River
I knew from the get go when we got TMac for Francis that Francis might have better numbers because of the environment that he is in. He is the Franchise player there and he has to "put out " every night for them to be a good team. They have a good team now but i just dont think they are a deep enough team. TMac on the other hand knew that when he got here he wasant going to need to score 30 every night. Thats why his stats are down because he is doing everything to get his team involved. Something that Francis couldnt get the hang of. I guarantee that once the Rockets get there act together and start player the way they should that we are going to stop hearing how Francis is better for this team and that trade was horrible. The trade was a wonderful trade and now its time for everyone to step it up and come together. I believe that towards mid season we will be close to full force. Now that we got Sura he is going to need some time to get to where he was last year. I still think that we will make past the first round this year.
