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Ever wondered what an ARENA would look like in Brooklyn for the Nets???

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  1. JuanValdez

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    Someone who knows something about New York correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like a group of people hoping to gentrify Brooklyn are now complaining because a bigger fish is coming in to monopolize the gentrification process. Is that the problem?

    The deal sounds astoundingly large, with all the apartments and office space. If the group went the conventional basketball route and built a space just for the Nets and skipped the rest, would they still be getting all this opposition? Another thing I wonder: if Ratner does do it and is successful with it, will it spark another revolution in how to build sports arenas, or is it just a New York thing?
     
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  2. fadeaway

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    #22 fadeaway, Jan 19, 2004
  3. tigereye

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    Even if the arena was built by itself there would still be opposition. To me, there are two reason why..........

    1........the arena's footprint would mean destruction of current homes at the corner of Flatbush and Atlantic. According to the Daily News, the number of displaced residents would be as high as 500-700 people. According to other sources, that number has climbed into the 1000's. In no matter what city your in, if you build an arena and it displaces any family's dwellings, some group will always take notice and voice opposition. So quite frankly, this opposition was expected being that the arena was planned for Bklyn. which isnt exactly known for wide open spaces.

    2........This plan calls for taxpayer dollars to be used. The exact amount is not known. Also not known is if the taxes will be city-wide or limited to the borough of Bklyn. I assume the latter (Bklyn only) due to the rather expensive plan to rebuild lower Manhattan. Once again, if taxes are to be used for the building of a sports venue, expect opposition.

    Nah........the only revolution this will spark is a revolution of new sports facilities being built in NYC.[/B] The arena's exterior looks rather bland.........a combination of Staples Center meets Toyota Center. But as I understand the project, THIS IS NOT THE EXTERIOR, but just a roughly modeled concept for the real thing, which is still in developement stages. The running track idea might work....only if the housing developement around the arena is built. If it is built, then most of the traffic on the track will be from those units. It might appeal to other Brooklynites as it would probably be viewed as a safe alternate due to its high visibilty for some to get there excercise compared to low key city parks. But I dont see this concept catching on in other city's.

    Like I said before.........the only revolution this will spark is a need for new sports venues in NYC. Before this deal was announced, several teams were close to new facility deals, but have yet to finalize those deals. The most noteable have been the Yankees and the new park at Macombs Dam Park (Bronx), the Jets westside stadium project (Manhattan), The Mets retractable roofed facility on Roosevelt, (Queens) and the Isles facility in Uniondale, NY. If the Bklyn. deal becomes reality (which I suspect it will) then look for all these teams to make a push for there respective deals again as they (mostly Mets, Jets and Yanks) tried to do before Rudy left office. The Jets are already jumping the gun...........look for them to unveil plans of there Reliant Stadium-like facility soon. And furthermore, if the Nets get there new home in Bklyn. look for the Knicks and Dolan to begin there noise about getting a new facility, possibly on the westside as part of the Jets westside stadium/Javits convention center expansion.

    My only question about all these deals is.........each and every one them have sky-rocketing figures averaging around the neighborhood of 1 BILLION dollars for each of them. And most of these will rely on taxpayer dollars. If all 5 of them are built, that would mean 5 BILLION+ dollars spent on new sports facilities.

    Does NYC have that amount of money to spend on new facilities?

    Or will someone be left out in the cold like back in the 50's when the Dodgers ill-fated domed stadium plan (ironicly planned for the site where the Bklyn. Arena will now be) failed and caused them to move to LA?

    I see the latter scenario happening already.........the Devs are already left out in the cold by themselves. Who will be next?
    :(
     
    #23 tigereye, Jan 22, 2004
  4. A-Train

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1714858

    Deal was just finalized yesterday. If the deal gets approval from the NBA, I think the Nets are gonzo when their lease expires. A two time conference champion playing in front of 9,000 fans is just sad...
     
    #24 A-Train, Jan 22, 2004
  5. AGBee

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    Looks like Johnny Sac's crew has a huge contract coming their way. Will the Soprano gang be able to muscle their way in? Coming to a screen near you, March 7.
     
    #25 AGBee, Jan 22, 2004
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    Just the name Brooklyn is awesome. That's almost reason enough to do it.
     
    #26 PhiSlammaJamma, Jan 22, 2004
  7. tigereye

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    I'm sorry for bringing up old news again but I just had to leave you guys with a glimpse of the future............enjoy!!!!!!!!

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    No sleep till Brooklyn!!!!!!!!

    Lets Go Brooklyn Nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    #27 tigereye, Jan 25, 2004
  8. Mr. Mooch

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    This experiment will flop (after a couple of years or so).
     
    #28 Mr. Mooch, Jan 25, 2004
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    Can't flop any worse than having them in Jersey -- nobody gives a damn about themn over there.
     
    #29 SamFisher, Jan 25, 2004
  10. tigereye

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    What experiment?????

    Brooklyn has had professional sports before. Sure, it was the Dodgers who left way back in the 50's and times have changed. But baseball took an experimen in Brooklyn with the minor league Cyclones, and it succeeded big time. And plus, if Bklyn. were a city seperate of NYC, it would be the 4th largest city in America. Thats like moving the Nets from Jersey to Houston.

    Brooklyn will succeed............"Dem Bums" live again!!!!!!!!
     
    #30 tigereye, Jan 25, 2004
  11. Mr. Mooch

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    Of course it will be better than Jersey, but this idea is waaaaaay overrated. Brooklyn is waaaaay overrated as a city too (no offense).

    It's not a hunch I have, but there are theories that I can back up.
     
    #31 Mr. Mooch, Jan 25, 2004
  12. across110thstreet

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    I have a hunch.
    you've never been to Brooklyn.


    correct me if I am wrong, otherwise, I would like to hear your "theories".


    Brooklyn is not a city, its a borough of New York. I'm sure you knew that. The entire city is excited, not just Brooklynites. Notice the man on the far left, that's Mike Bloomberg, the Mayor of New York City.

    This "experiment" as you call it is the best thing to happen to the Borough of Brooklyn and for New York sports teams in general.

    I'm posting from about a mile away from the proposed arena site now! Go Brooklyn!
     
    #32 across110thstreet, Jan 25, 2004
  13. Mr. Mooch

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    I've been to Brooklyn a handful of times. To be honest I wasn't too impressed with it.

    Anyway, yes I know it's a borough of NY, but I called it a city only because mail is delivered to Brooklyn (it takes the effect of a city).

    That's not relevent anyway. The fact is that of course there is huge excitement over having professional sports back in Brooklyn and I think it's great for the city; New Jersey is a pathetic place for basketball and the Nets should be back where they belong, New York.

    I just can't see how it will succeed that greatly. I know it's vague, but I'll give more reasons (to make sure I have the facts straight) in a little while once I get in touch with my various family members who have lived, or are living, in or around the New York area. Even my dad (who grew up a Dodger fan) doesn't think it's a good idea.

    I don't think Brooklyn is a pro sports team. If they were, then why hasn't there been a franchise in any major sport since 1958?
     
    #33 Mr. Mooch, Jan 25, 2004
  14. tigereye

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    Because other boroughs close by have teams. Queens for the Mets, Bronx for the Yanks etc...........

    Dont get confused, just becasue the team will probably go the seperatist route and name the team for the borough instead of the whole city, doesnt mean the city wont care about them or root for them.........cause they will! You see, Bklyn aint exactly suburban like it was billed in the good ole' days. Bklyn is now a major part of the fabric of this city. So this team wont just represent Bklyn, it will represent the whole NYC.

    As across110th said, the whole city is overjoyed about the move.

    In fact, New Yorkers are probably more happier with the move to Bklyn they would have been if the Nets moved to join Wang and the Isles in L.I.

    Mark my words............this move will succeed, BIG TIME!!!!!!

    And even better for us NYC basketball fans.........if the Nets field a winning squad in Bklyn, then that would only put pressure on the Knicks to upgrade the roster just to keep up with the Nets in the battle for the city's attention..............which means tickets, merchandise etc............all revenues on the line.

    Thus for us in NY, there is a strong chance the city could once again have TWO winning basketball teams.

    And maybe even an NBA "Subway Series" in the ECF............

    Ahh..........the possibilities are endless............. :D
     
    #34 tigereye, Jan 26, 2004
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    With the huge amount of support the Knicks get from their fans (even in the years that they've sucked), I betcha the Nets will do well in Brooklyn.

    -- droxford
     
    #35 droxford, Jan 26, 2004
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    totally agree man.

    Brooklyn is just a sweet name for a city.

    "Where's Brooklyn at?!? Where's Brooklyn at?!?" - Biggie
     
    #36 SWTsig, Jan 26, 2004
  17. across110thstreet

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    from nyc.gov

    A Slam Dunk for Brooklyn and All New York
    By Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg

    It’s been more than 46 years since the Dodgers, Brooklyn’s last major league sports team, played their final game at Ebbets Field. That sad silence is about to end and be replaced with the thunderous cheers of basketball fans of all ages. On Friday, I joined the new owner of the Nets, Bruce Ratner, in announcing that the team would be moving to a fantastic new arena – designed by world-famous architect Frank Gehry – in Downtown Brooklyn.

    The team is expected to come to Brooklyn in 2007, 50 years after Walter O’Malley took the beloved Bums to the West Coast. “It just isn’t a major league town,” O’Malley said. The people of Brooklyn didn’t believe him then. They sure don’t believe him now, and neither do I. There’s no question Brooklyn is in the major leagues. Taken by itself, the borough would have the fourth largest population of any city in the country. Brooklyn also has some of the best sports fans in the world. Just look at all the people who come out to cheer the Brooklyn Cyclones at Keyspan Park in Coney Island. What’s more, Brooklyn is a veritable hotbed of hoops, boasting home-grown stars like Bernard King, Chris Mullin and Steff-on Marbury.

    But the relocation of the Nets is about more than basketball. It’s about jobs and opportunity, and the start of a sweeping economic development project that will cap the remarkable resurgence of Downtown Brooklyn. The development of the Atlantic Yards will include the basketball arena, retail stores and office space. It will generate an estimated $400 million a year in economic activity. 4,000 units of much-needed housing will also be constructed onsite, including a substantial number of affordable units. This will allow the development to reflect the diversity of Downtown Brooklyn and attract new residents to the neighborhood.

    This historic project will create 10,000 jobs during construction, and thousands of permanent new jobs in Brooklyn when it’s completed. That’s great news. Unemployment in our city is down substantially from a year ago, but it’s still too high. We’ve got to do even more to attract new jobs, and we will. More than two million square feet of office space will be built as part of the project, providing room for companies looking to move here, or grow here, and hire New Yorkers.

    Our administration has an ambitious redevelopment plan for all of Downtown Brooklyn, and we’re making it a reality. The Atlantic Yards project, featuring a stunning new arena for pro basketball, will go a long way toward making Downtown Brooklyn into even more of a place that can’t be beat in the competition for residents, businesses and jobs. Brooklyn’s future, like that of all five boroughs, is no longer a jump ball. Our City’s economy has turned the corner, and our best days – our brightest days – are just ahead. See you at the game.
     
    #37 across110thstreet, Jan 27, 2004
  18. A-Train

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    STEFF-ON Marbury? Please tell me that was a witty play on words...
     
    #38 A-Train, Jan 28, 2004
  19. Kam

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    Not a chance in hell. Or hevean. On earth, or middle earth for hobbit geeks.
     
    #39 Kam, Jan 28, 2004
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