Check the Daily Dime on ESPN - sounds like there was confusion all over the place about this rule. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090322
with less than 0.4 left the shot MUST be a tip in. doesn't matter what the reply showed. he caught it then shot it. it was not a tip, it would not have counted. less than 0.3 and the period is over. the game was over, the refs didn't do their waving-the-shot-off because they knew it was over when he caught the ball rather than tipping it, plus it missed. so they let it slide. thats the only reason we are still talking about it.
That's what Blinebur and Feigen were saying. It sounded correct to me, but someone here quoted the NBA rules saying the rule was .3 seconds.
I think the Rockets would have had a chance at winning a protest in this case. No reasonable human being can be expected to believe Bonner got that shot off in .3 seconds, regardless of what the rule says. The Brandon Roy situation was different. What did he start with...about a 1.5 seconds? Can't remember exactly.
great find. leave it to ron to get the wrong info! lol adelman knew it had to be a tip. thats why yao was under the rim.
I don't understand why this kind of thing is even an issue. It would be a really simple problem to solve. The refs go back to the video, and DO NOT RELY ON THE TIME-KEEPER. Simply watch the play in slo-mo with a time overlay that shows 10ths (or even hundredths) of seconds simply playing alongside it. All the refs need to do it watch the timer from the time the ball touches his hands to the time it leaves his hands. If it is more than .3, then the shot is waved off no matter what the timekeeper does. If he somehow miraculously gets the shot off inside of the .3, then hats off to him and the play is good. How hard is that to figure out, on 'end-of-game' (or quarter or half) plays?? Sheesh. It's not like they don't already have the ability to go back to the replay on 3-pointers and end plays anyway. This way they can eliminate all that timekeeper homerism, especially in places like Utah.
ya think? the Treant Tucker Rule allows a shot with AT LEAST three tenths, that's .3, not .03, not .04, not .6, .7 or .8 for that matter. any less than three tenths of a second is a tip in only.
Fisher made it with 0.4 seconds left. With 0.1 seconds left the ball was out of his hands. Bonner being a slow shooter and outside 3 point line it is impossible to catch and shoot with 0.3 seconds left. No way any player can have that kind of range and to make a jump shot from that far out with 0.3 seconds. The only way possible is catch it in the air n slightly bend ur elbows to power up the shot. It clearly showed bonner caught the ball while feet touching the floor and making a quick regular jumpshot. Not possible with 0.3 sec left. 2 things would have happened if he would have made the shot: 1) the refs would have reviewed it and waived it off if the clock had expired with ball in his hands or 2) If it showed he had released it before the clock expired then refs would have counted it n rockets would have got screwed cause it would have been clear that the clock was started late, but refs couldnt have done anything about it.
"The game clock must show :00.3 or more in order for a player to secure possession of the ball on a rebound or throw-in to attempt a field goal."
Wow I did not realize how many people do not know the rule. It is not .4 seconds, .3 is the least amount of time you can have for a catch and shoot. If it is .2 then it has to be a tip in like Dwight Howard against the Spurs a few seasons ago.
i forgot the rule myself, but what's amazing is that so many people kept arguing over this after a thread over the same thing went a few pages just yesterday...and it answered all these questions.... you cant say the shot would or wouldnt have counted unless a shot actually went in, this is because it's not automatic. You have to review the play to make sure the clock started on time and that the shooter got it off in time. They're not going to let you catch, set, and shoot. It would have to be a almost a catch-tip, that's probably why Bavetta said it had to be a tip, but he still didn't explain it correctly.
I didn't know about the other threat, but technically this would not be the same subject, as this thread was about media coverage of the play. It just spiraled back down to the discussion of whether or not the shot could have counted. It is interesting that Artest and Battier apparently got different stories from different refs. So, it is only the fans and media that are confused, but apparently the players, coaches, and refs too. The most conclusive evidence posted here suggests that technically you can catch and shoot with .3 seconds left.
Nice that a veteran official tells Battier one thing, and a different ref tells Ron something different. That's a huge problem. The NBA should fine the ref who's incorrect in this situation. There needs to be accountability there.
i've always thought it's .3, i remember baron davis made a 3 where he caught the ball turned and shot with .3 left, then afterwards the NBA said ok you can catch and shoot with .3, but you cant catch, turn and then shoot.
I never looked up the actual rule, but my understanding from years of basketball watching was that you could not catch and shoot with .3 seconds left. That's how I remember it being explained by multiple commentators over the years. I thought that there must be at least .3 to be able to attempt a shot (by tipping it towards the basket). Anything less than that and you cannot get off a shot. The fact that different refs had different interpretations is very disturbing.
you should look up the actual rule. David Lee tipped in an inbound pass with .1 and it counted. anything below .3 (.1 or .2) must be tipped in. anything .3 and above, by the rules, allow for a catch and shoot. /trying to get people to understand this rule
