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Even more pitiful economic numbers released. Obama built that

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    Very slow economic growth -- worst in a year. Certainly not enough to improve the disgraceful unemployment rate.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/us-economic-growth-slowed_n_1709406.html#slide=more219165

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of just 1.5 percent from April through June, as Americans cut back sharply on spending. The slowdown in growth adds to worries that the economy could be stalling three years after the recession ended.

    The Commerce Department also said Friday that the economy grew a little better than previously thought in the January-March quarter. It raised its estimate to a 2 percent rate, up from 1.9 percent.

    Growth at or below 2 percent isn't enough to lower the unemployment rate, which was 8.2 percent last month. And most economists don't expect growth to pick up much in the second half of the year. Europe's financial crisis and a looming budget crisis in the U.S. are expected to slow business investment further.

    "The main take away from today's report, the specifics aside, is that the U.S. economy is barely growing," said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist at BTIG LLC. "Along with a reduction in the actual amount of money companies were able to make, it's no wonder the unemployment rate cannot move lower."

    Stock futures rose slightly after the report was released. Some economists had thought the growth estimate would be even lower.

    The lackluster economy is raising pressure on President Barack Obama in his re-election fight with Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

    But few think the Fed, the White House or Congress can or will do anything soon that might rejuvenate the economy quickly. Many lawmakers, for example, refuse to increase federal spending in light of historically large budget deficits.

    Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist at Capital Economics, said that the sluggish second quarter growth rate is probably not weak enough to trigger more action by the Federal Reserve when it meets next week.

    Many economists, however, believe the Fed will launch another round of bond buying at its September policy meeting. The aim is to drive long-term interest rates lower and encourage more borrowing and spending.

    The 1.5 percent growth rate in the second quarter was the weakest since the economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, expanded at a 1.3 percent rate in the July-September quarter last year. GDP measures the country's total output of goods and services, from the purchase of a cup of coffee to the sale of fighter jets.

    Current-dollar GDP increased at an annual rate of $117.6 billion in the second quarter to $15.6 trillion.

    Growth was weaker mostly because consumer spending slowed to a growth rate of just 1.5 percent. That's down from 2.4 percent in the first quarter. Americans bought fewer autos, computers and other long-lasting manufactured goods. Spending on services increased.

    They also saved more. The savings rate increased to 4 percent, up from 3.6 percent in the first quarter.

    Consumer spending, which accounts for 70 percent of economic activity, was offset somewhat by a slightly smaller drag from the government. Spending by governments fell at an annual rate of 1.4 percent in the second quarter, just half of the 3 percent rate of decline in the first quarter.

    The Commerce Department also revised its growth estimates for the past three years. Those revisions showed that the economy contracted 3.1 percent in 2009, slightly less than the 3.5 percent previously reported. Growth in 2010 was put at 2.4 percent, down from 3 percent, with growth in 2011 at 1.8 percent instead of 1.7 percent.

    The U.S. economy has never been so sluggish this long into a recovery. The Great Recession officially ended in June 2009.

    Until a few weeks ago, many economists had been predicting that growth would accelerate in the final six months of the year. They pointed to gains in manufacturing, home and auto sales and lower gas prices.

    But threats to the U.S. economy have left consumers too anxious to spend freely. Jobs are tight. Pay isn't keeping up with inflation. Retail sales fell in June for a third straight month. Manufacturing has weakened in most areas of the country.

    Fear is also growing that the economy will fall off a "fiscal cliff" at year's end. That's when tax increases and deep spending cuts will take effect unless Congress reaches a budget agreement.

    All that is making companies reluctant to expand and hire much.
     
  2. El_Conquistador

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    So you mean Obamacare's regulations and taxes, threats to increase taxes at year end, attacks on small business owners, and scary socialist rhetoric on the campaign trail isn't generating jobs?


    SHOCKING
     
  3. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    The liberals have been absolutely silenced in this thread.

    No response on the #1 issue that voters care about: the economy.
     
  4. Dave_78

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    How do the numbers stack up to Bush's last few years?

    Thanks
     
  5. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    irrelevant question

    Bush isn't running for re-election.

    Obama's in over his head on the economy, which is a major problem
     
  6. Kyrodis

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    I'd consider this to be a fairly accurate statement. What do you suppose Obama should be doing then? You know...aside from the fiscal constraint/austerity I've seen you advocate on multiple occasions.

    Fiscal prudence? Sure. Fiscal constraint or austerity? Seems to be exacerbating unemployment everywhere it's being implemented.
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Did you read the article?

    It seemed to be a complete indictment of deficit hawks, and Republican strategy to counter a "rising debt".

    Which it should be. Those of us who know our economics know that the President's actions have helped the economy, while those the opposition suggest will stop growth in its' tracks.

    What would you, bigtexxx of the "let me short US dollars, and go long on oil" economic advice (that would have worked well) propose?

    Keep in mind the following FACTS---

    http://mediamatters.org/print/resea...problem-with-jobs-growth-is-lack-of-de/185857
    How do we stimulate consumer demand? Any good ideas?
     
  8. tallanvor

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    'Clearly these numbers have been taken out of context.'


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    I'm not taking sides.....I hate all of you crooks, but I did LOL when I saw this the other day:

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  10. Dubious

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    So you mean globalization, outsourcing, Congressional obstructionism, paying for two unfunded wars, a world wide reckoning of reckless international banking policy, attacks working class incomes, and billions spent on negative rhetoric bashing any reasonable compromise on the campaign trail isn't generating jobs?


    not shocking if you think about it
     
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  11. Northside Storm

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    Keep in mind, those criticizing the president---

    Research debt deflation, deleveraging and dynamics. They have more to do with the current crisis than anything the executive or FOMC could do (short of counteracting it with aggressive fiscal or monetary policy.)

    http://www.eief.it/files/2012/06/michelozzi.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_deflation


    http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/mg...markets/uneven_progress_on_the_path_to_growth

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  12. tallanvor

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    Obama was given a trillion dollars to spend any way he wanted fixing the economy. Your obstructionism claim holds no water.
     
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  13. Kyrodis

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    Those numbers are indeed terrible.

    However, the problem I have with many stubborn ideologues is that they see these numbers as "evidence" that stimulus spending is pointless and should therefore be curtailed altogether...that the money was somehow spent into a black hole and just completely disappeared.

    It's very basic. Government spending always ends up in the private sector somewhere. In order for the government to "pay down its debt" it must take more money than it gives to the private sector. It's completely defies all logic why anyone would advocate such an action when the private sector is largely indebted and short on cash.

    If your argument is "Obama spent the money in the wrong places!" then I can get on board.

    If it's "Oh nro! National debt! Stop the spending now!" then it's time to go take a freshman-level economics course.
     
  14. Dubious

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    Horsesh**


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  15. mfastx

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    Too bad that whenever Obama proposes a jobs bill it gets filibustered by Congress. They are doing this to sabotage the President. And it's working.
     
  16. mc mark

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    No it's not.

    Americans see how republicans are sabotaging the economy to win the election and it will blow up in their faces. Of course Mr. Obama is going to win. That is why you see the crazies frothing at the mouth like the rabid dogs they are. Just think how much further along the recovery would be if republicans put country before party and actually helped come up with solutions.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    Oblamer! all about excuses
     
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    Did his jobs bill not get killed by Congress?
     
  19. Dubious

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    Bigtexx, all about demagoguery.
     
  20. ChrisBosh

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    If you know anything about the economic realities of today, you'd understand that the unemployment rate is not going to change anytime soon. It doesn't matter who is sitting in the White House.
     

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