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Even If the Rockets Lose Scola, They May Get an Asset

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Jul 13, 2010.

  1. Gimmmethemike

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    Dont worrry Bima they are dumb-asses who dont understand crap, dont even bother.
     
  2. Stevierebel

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    wouldn't scola be a BYC player still just like Morrow and we'd only get a trade exception worth half his first year just like Golden St only got?
     
  3. BimaThug

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    Nah, it was directed at everyone except you.

    It was in reference to the other posters thinking that I am saying that it's okay to lose Scola because the Rockets could get a trade exception. That was simply not the case, and I stated as much in bold and underlined text.

    You were the only one (up to that point) who hadn't jumped to the conclusion that it was okay to lose Scola and decided to post a gratuitous remark about how losing Scola would be a bad thing. Duh.

    I don't think it has much to do with Morey being positive about anything . . . except that an offer is too rich for the Rockets to match. Morey, being the objective, analytical mind that he is, would likely prefer to obtain a trade asset (the trade exception) rather than watch Scola leave for nothing. Remember, this is all predicated on if an offer is made to Scola that is so ridiculous that the Rockets simply cannot match it without killing their cap flexibility and ability to improve the team in other areas.



    Oh, and in response to xiki: No, I do not think a Favors trade involving Scola is likely.
     
  4. BimaThug

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    Dammit. You're right.

    Still, the same PRINCIPLE holds true. The Rockets get a trade exception.

    A $4.55M trade exception is still something.
     
  5. jopatmc

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    My understanding, from asking this question a few days ago, is that since Scola is BYC, our TE would only be half his first year's salary. That is simply not worth it.

    And a front-loaded contract actually works in our favor, in my opinion. It allows us to overpay a little for him on the front end while at the same time, he becomes more tradeable as he ages because his contract is more reasonable.
     
  6. xiki

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    BT - I am not suggesting likely, only that it could be arrived at as a reasonable conclusion.

    Frankly, I am a big Luis guy, and I believe he has skills and synergy requisite for the success of this team.
     
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    Bima, understand what you're saying, but we'd have a gaping hole at the 4 spot. Anyone watching summer league (granted it's summer league) knows Patterson is not ready, and Hill just may not be the guy.

    Now if we added Someone like Paul then you do it all day long. Unless there is a possible deal in place, I think it's very risky.

    Hopefully it doesn't come to this. My hopes are we can trade Hill, filler and picks to upgrade.
     
  8. rockets934life

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    Bima,

    I think we get what your trying to say or the info your providing to us but the problem is that, even with the TPE we'd be getting, isn't more prudent to just overpay a bit to keep Scola then acquiring 4.5 million in free money to spend?

    Also, please do not rip my head off...just talking out loud :grin:
     
  9. cardpire

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    yeah, don't worry fellas, you'll lose a dollar, but you may get a penny back.
     
  10. BimaThug

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    Perhaps. But that is totally up to Les Alexander and Daryl Morey.

    My point was simply that AFTER THAT DECISION IS MADE, the Rockets can still salvage an asset if they decide not to match the offer.

    Personally, I would overpay . . . to a certain point. Would you match a MAX offer? I doubt it. Would you match an offer paying $12-13M per year? Probably not.

    Also, I'm not so sure that Morey would want to kill any and all cap flexibility for next year. For instance, what if Yao goes down again next year and shows that he is evidently done as an NBA star? What then? The Rockets would have killed any chance to rebuild quickly and would be stuck paying Scola, Martin and (a re-signed) Brooks to take up most of their cap room for the next 3-4 years.

    Again . . . I WANT TO KEEP SCOLA. I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE SCOLA. I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT THE ROCKETS LET SCOLA WALK. I AM SIMPLY STATING WHAT CAN BE SALVAGED AFTER A DECISION IS MADE.

    (That last part is not directed at you, rockets934life. Just to the general public.)
     
  11. BimaThug

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    A more appropriate analogy would be that if you decide not to dig a dollar out of a pile of raw sewage (cap hell) in order to preserve the nice, expensive shirt you are wearing (cap flexibility), but instead find 15 cents resting on a table. 15 clean, shiny, crap-free cents.

    (Okay, maybe not the best analogy either. But you get the point.)

    :p
     
  12. kaitanuva

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    Worst case scenario: SCOLA AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE!

    AND IF HE DOES, I'LL PERSONALLY GO AND LAND AN A-BOMB ON THE NETS!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  13. Clutch

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    I got to be honest -- I didn't foresee the "trade exception" bonanza that we're seeing now. It makes total sense, I just didn't see it coming as the logical "next step" after all those sign-and-trades.

    IF we're going to end up losing Scola, Bima is right -- that could prove to be a very valuable asset.
     
  14. RV6

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    Remember how we were all wondering why houston would make such a hard push for Bosh when we already had scola? We just assumed this was a significant improvement in the right direction and improvement or upgrading is always good, right?

    Well, what if the whole time Morey was expecting to lose scola? Maybe he saw this coming, thought it would be best to pull off a trade before losing him for nothing. the trade exception is nice, but of course doesnt guarantee we'd be able to replace scola with a similar or better player.The whole "we're matching" thing would still help just incase the team was unable to land an allstar PF.
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    Again, what better player than Scola could we theoretically get with a 4.5 million trade exception? I understand the thought, but I don't see it. Unless someone overpays Scola like crazy, matching will always be better (and yes, I fully understand that you are not advocating getting rid of Scola).

    And if someone is willing to overpay Scola like crazy, I don't think we would make a deal with them - because in this case, someone could make us make a deal with them by merely threatening to overpay Scola. So we cannot even signal that we are willing to make a deal.
     
  16. BimaThug

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    Okay.

    What part about "AFTER THE DECISION IS MADE" do you not understand?

    This entire thread has been derailed.

    This was NEVER about not matching an offer for Scola. It was about what happens after that.

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Why do you get so angry? You are a great poster and I understand the point you are trying to make, but I think the scenario that someone would overpay by so much that it would be more beneficial to us to do this kind of deal instead of matching is unlikely.

    Don't fall into the trap of not accepting other opinions just because you know that you are a great contributor to the site. The "sometimes I don't know why I even bother" and "what part of...don't you understand" is not usually your tone. You don't even need to resort to that arrogant kind of tone.
     
  18. rockets934life

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    Okay so lets say NJ, for instance, overpays Luis and Morey says thanks but no thanks thus we get a 4.5 TPE, can we use that like a expiring contract and package it with a group of players to acquire someone now or at the deadline? I noticed that it can be broken up but it seems that it can only be used to acquire one player.
     
  19. rocketschamp3

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    I got a better idea lets resign scola and lowry .
     
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  20. kaitanuva

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    Somebody didn't read the thread.
     

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