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Europe is falling apart---close to bringing the whole world down.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. brantonli24

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    Greece is probably going to leave, other curriencies should strength a bit when the Greeks try to pile all their money into other currencies (knowing that the drachma will be worthless).

    But a fiscal union without a political union? I always hoped it might work, but unfortunately now is proving exactly why it doesn't. Imagine a USA with no federal government, and Texas or New York keep squabbling over what the others should do.
     
  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    No idea what you mean to say with your first sentence.

    In any case, I wish the people of Europe well, as always. I hope they learn from the consequences of their choices, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that public opinion is in fact shifting in Europe IMO for the better. Very few people have benefited from the Eurozone structure, and the huge majority of European people are at the bottom of that list.

    brantonli24 said it - fiscal union without political union, and people are made to believe it's an oversight by some of the most educated economic and political minds in the world. It benefited and can benefit some people, and those people are sun-bathing while Athens burns, and they sit behind their blackberries calling Greeks lazy.

    If anyone needs further evidence of the poor utility of this structure, look no further than the types of governments seeking the same structure right now while it's dissolving in Europe. If it was a failure for all, the experiment wouldn't be repeated anywhere. In fact, it was/is a huge success for some types of people, even as we speak. This is why it's so important that public opinion is shifting in Europe, and good for them.
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    Ireland the next shocker?

    It's not binding, but a no has to be another defeat for the EU, at a time where few can be afforded.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/31/ireland-referendum-explained

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/10267632

     
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  4. Northside Storm

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    What no one wants to talk about---

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...poriki-idUSL5E8GM81G20120522?type=companyNews

    Attempt to reassure shareholders on Emporiki, Geniki units

    * C.Agricole CEO says has requested liquidity assistance

    * SocGen's Oudea says Greek exit would be "manageable"

    * Both stocks down 35 to 45 pct since Jan. highs

    France’s No. 2 bank, Société Générale, has a high leverage rate of 28:1 according to internal numbers, and 23:1 according to US GAAP netting conventions . This article has been corrected after receiving information from Société Générale.

    Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...803_1_leverage-read-bnp-paribas#ixzz1wUvGyWQC

    If a global giant, one of the big three in France, fails, all bets are off.
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    Northside Storm, to the casual observer, you appear to be just throwing the negative Europe story du jour against the wall to see if anybody will share your fear. You're acting very alarmist.

    To improve your credibility, you can add some commentary to try to put your information in context. Right now you just seem to enjoy trying to spread fear and panic, almost wishing for a Europe meltdown.
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    If one were to call to note kettles and pots, some could drag up your posts on, well, any topic, and stop right there.

    But fair enough. It's not enough to add one or two sentences of commentary. You want more. What would you like to discuss, the exposure of American banks to the French big three, the implications of misplaying CDS indexes, or how global unregulated capital and the current economic system is dangerously flawed, and how a social democratic model with tight regulation is demonstrably superior?
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    no -- here's what I want to know. I would like you to go on record to predict what percentage chance of a "European meltdown" has of actually materializing. You can even pick an objective definition of "meltdown".

    Then, I would like you to help the board by providing 3 smart investing ideas to capitalize on the meltdown.

    TIA
     
  8. Northside Storm

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    Um, in case you haven't noticed it already is materializing.

    But, to do you one better, EUR/CAD is in an asymmetric payoff situation with both recovery and meltdown scenarios. Word to the wise, EUR/CHF is an interesting hedge as well, especially since currency players seem to have no idea about the difference between defending a desired strong currency, and having the ability to devalue to a desired weaker currency.

    I could reveal exact scenarios, but it might violate confidentiality agreements, and all that.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    internet poster clowning currency traders for lack of knowledge. That's rich. Forex markets are some of the most liquid in the world and will crush you and your high level, non-specific, basic ideas.

    your post was not helpful.
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    You never know with internet posters. They could be interning at a central bank.

    If you want my advice, give me something in return. What are your thoughts on the failure of unregulated capitalism?
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    you're a ******* intern?

    good grief I can't believe I'm going back and forth with the coffee brewer in the office
     
  12. Northside Storm

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    Woah, does it blow your mind that stripped of all the status items life conveys naturally with the passage of time, you realize that you cannot hold your own intellectually with a man perhaps half your age?

    Meh.

    Give me your thoughts, or leave. Your personal insults are amusing given your attempt at playing a "bigger man".
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    It doesn't blow my mind at all, as I figured you were a high school student. My post wasn't a compliment to you.

    Regarding requesting my thoughts, I believe the Euro will snap back and gain strength soon once the uncertainty dies down. So my play would be to buy oil and short the USD in the medium term. Other than that I am not going to comment on your alarmist news du jour.
     
  14. Northside Storm

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    Your play will be to short the USD (against what, nobody knows)...

    after you told me currency markets are an all-crushing force.

    :/

    Somewhere in that head of yours, is there room for coherent strings of thought?

    Anyways, texxx, kind of you to drop by and go tit for tat with personal insults. We should do this more often. You seldom contribute substance, so I'm glad you're at least past your "holier-than-thou" big man routine (which to be honest, was very f**king annoying).
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    No

    I asked you to provide investment ideas, and you tried to toss out big words to make yourself sound smart, and then tossed out some vague ideas.

    Can you please think about where you're going to pick up lunch for the office tomorrow? And make sure the coffee pot stays full in the afternoon, for crying out loud.
     
  16. Northside Storm

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    Hehe. Man, sometimes the buttons are too easy to push.

    Good stuff, texxx. Cheers.

    I'll have fun filling in the coffee. You have yourself a good day, doing whatever the f**k it is you do, and next time you want to pretend you're above it all, don't.

    Back to Europe---

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/05/31/draghi-eurozone.html

    Eurozone setup 'unsustainable,' ECB head says
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    I see that Northside Breeze continues to get owned by people who are easily his intellectual superior.
     
  18. Major

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    Except for the small fact that Europe IS falling apart and he has posted countless articles on the topic, while the only thing those "intellectual superiors" have done is throw out childish insults over and over and completely avoid the actual topic.
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    22-handle on the eurodolla now...

    "u can't lose wit 22's!"
     
  20. rhadamanthus

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    *Citation Required
     

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