I have to disagree on judging Rondo's jumper. It's pathetic (as in "consistently" bad). He knows it and so does everyone else. Sure enough he's hit some key shots in his career, but the Lakers showed everyone what to do in the Finals by basically not guarding him and making the Celts play 4 on 5. Both Rondo's jumper and his sub 60% FT shooting will be a drag on his career until they improve. There is really no basis to argue otherwise.
How do we know? He can't even make free throws consistently. The guy has a broke jumper period. and my projected top PG list for next year: 1) Chris Paul - the guy is easily the most well-rounded PG in the league, and one of the most overall. 2) Dwill - this guy, if healthy, is a beast. If Rose has Dwill's PG's capabilities, Boozer wouldn't disappear like he did. 3) Drose - still has a ways to go in terms of impacting a game outside of just scoring. He got exposed in the playoffs, but he's young and will improve 4) Westbrook - too much criticism went his way, and a lot were unnecessary, like he has to give Durant the ball when Durant didn't want or couldn't get open??? GTFO. 5) Wall - he's making that leap next year. His PG's abilities and leadership are way ahead of Rose or Westbrook after year 1. And he already knows his weaknesses. Look for this guy to explode next year.
OHMSS thinks its a fluke. "It's just one game!" But seriously, the opponent PG can't guard DWill, there's absolutely no way he could stop DWill and Deron doesn't even look to be in top of his form.
Its not almost. OHMSS hates on the NBA pretty consistenly(some might use the word Troll), but continues to not just post on an NBA site, but a Houston Rockets fansite. Why, you may ask.... who the hell hell knows? OHMSS... Why the Houston Rockets???... If you despise the NBA and think its so inferior, why are you on the fansite of one of the more mediocre teams in the league nonstop? Just curious. Arent there good Euroleague fansites you can go argue your point on?
This is the statement of someone that does not understand basic basketball principles at all. You probably do not even consider NCAA to be "basketball". Just the NBA entertainment show. And that is what it is. It's not basketball. It's a pseudo sport/entertainment show. The NBA stopped being an actual sportive competition quite awhile ago. And even the vast majority of American sports fans agree with that. If you disagree with it, then you are clearly in the minority amongst even American sports fans. Is it more "entertaining" to have an endless parade of wide open dunks, no defense, non-stop timeouts for commercials and a free throw contest for 'stars"...............maybe you consider that "more entertaining". However, any true NBA fan considers it a sad travesty compared to what the NBA once was. And it is the reason why the NBA has had such an enormous drop in popularity in the US. The fact is that the large majority of Americans find a hell of a lot less entertaining than it used to be.
Do you even realize that it's like the 7-10 best league in Europe? It's like bragging about some USBL stats in the USA. Not even in Turkey does anyone care about that game. It's completely meaningless. This is the kind of thing that gives NBA only fans such a bad name in the sports world. It's like 7 levels at least below Euroleague level.
I usually ignore you but I'll give it one more try: Do you realize how stupid you sound to say the NBA is an endless parade of wide open dunks, no defense, non-stop timeouts for commercials and a free throw contest for stars? I have no idea what you are talking about. Saying the NBA is "not basketball" is even dumber. It's the top basketball league in the world. The NBA stopped being an actual sportive competition quite awhile ago. And even the vast majority of American sports fans agree with that. Stop doing drugs and trolling. Your comment on the NBA's popularity declining is proof of ignorance. The NBA is soaring in popularity right now, but you are too impaired to realize that. Will you even feign sanity so we can have a legit discussion?
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I do agree he's not as good as these players or as good as these players may end up being (wall's case). I'm just saying situation does come into play. Wall, Rose, Dwill, Paul all came to their teams as the best player...no doubt. If they wanted to shoot they shot. These guys can find their rythm early and often which is something Rondo never had a chance to do since year 1. His first year he was with a tail end prime Pierce who put up 20-30 shots a game. His second year they had KG and allen as well. After these three guys unless you were a shooting specialist you really had a hard time finding rythm. Rondo's role was to defend and be the set up man... Even today that's all it really is, we saw that he added weight and expanded his game to the post last year. He's willing to do what it takes to win and generally other than the odd 3 or elbow jumper thats just not his role. I know he is not as good offensively as those other guards but I would take a point guard who can lock down most 1 guards and penetrate and get 15-17 assists on a normal basis over a guard like Rose or Wall who is gonna get me 25 poinst on 15-30 shots along with 4-5 turnovers.. at this point in their careers. When it comes to Pure point guards I'm taking Paul and then I'm taking Rondo. If you let Rondo and Allen play 2 on 2 against Rose and Bogans or Rose and Korver.. I'm taking Rondo and Allen 8 out of 10 times. Rondo is the most successful guard on this list until someone else wins a title... sorry lol. That's just my opinion, no one flame I just feel like on the celtics team few guards could fill that role like Rondo does. he is a more talented passer than the likes of westbrook and Rose. Dwill, Paul and Wall are another story though. (which is nuts given Wall's only 1 year into his career) If you put a guy like westbrook on that team and said "hey you're #4 on offense.. sometimes #5, you may only get 5-6 shots today but we need you to play defense and be our playmaker" he'd demand a trade.... Don't undervalue Rondo due to a lack of a shot... I mean Steve Nash might as well be on skates with how slow he is laterially but no one doubts what he did for that team in all their deep playoff runs. Shooting is one aspect of the game.
While I agree with OHMSS that the NBA now is a sad travesty compared to what it once was (in the '90s when they allowed post play and defense), I disagree that Euroleague has better or more athletic players. No league in which Vassilis Spanoulis can win Final Four MVP can have better/more athletic players than the NBA.
The thing is I don't even hate Deron Williams. He was the only player I didn't hate on the Jazz. I just don't get that superstar vibe from him. It might be because he's not marketable and I'm looking at that more than his actual skill level... not sure.
Is that why NBA players stampede and dance around European teams all day in the Olympics and FIBA? Have you noticed that the US plays showtime basketball? They don't take it seriously until they need to and even then; it's not NBA-level intensity. When have you ever seen such a strong sports franchise? Certainly not from European teams who have sponsor logos and all types of advertising slapped on their jerseys. Where else can you see players getting paid millions and millions of dollars? European's payscale is nowhere near the average NBA player's payscale. Why does the NBA attract near billions of people worldwide? Even from crappy Euroleague countries? Why didn't Yao Ming take his talents to the "best league in the world" Euroleague? Why doesn't every NBA player ditch to go to the premier league? Why do European players struggle to get in the NBA? Come on dude. Doesn't matter how badly the NBA players clown out on the court, the Euroleague will NEVER match.
It's amazing how many defenses still played Rondo close, allowing him to drive to the basket. Layup is the only way he can be a scoring threat.
Please quote my post that said the Euroleague had better and more athletic players. I want to see where I supposedly said this. BTW..........Spanoulis is playing 10 times better than Deron Williams and Ty Lawson are playing in Europe. Just as he was 10 times better in Europe than Ricky Rubio and Brandon Jennings were. Spanoulis is many, many, many times better than you realize.
The Euroleague is nothing like the FIBA World Championship or the Olympics. It's not even remotely comparable. Anyone that thinks it is, simply has never seen a Euroleague game. The Olympics and FIBA World Championship is 80% identical to the NBA whenever Team USA plays. That is how the rules and refs are - 80% identical to NBA. The Euroleague is completely different. There is no star treatment for American players. There is traveling allowed, no palming allowed. The level of physical play allowed is even for all teams (not special for Team USA).......the level of physical play is bout 2 notches higher. Deron Williams said himself the games in third tier EuroChallenge (two levels lower than Euroleague) were totally different than anything he saw in the Olympics. Much more physical play and much less free throws granted by the refs and a lot more strict on travels. Of course, you would know better without obviously having ever even seen a Euroleague game. The Euroleague is absolutely nothing at all like the Olympics. The Olympics is just an NBA all star game in every single game involving Team USA. If you think the Euroleague allows anything like that on its courts then you have no clue what you are talking about.
Ty Lawson = Euroleague scrub Ricky Rubio = Euroleague scrub Brandon Jennings = Euroleague scrub Deron Williams = decent player at EuroChallenge level (not even a top 10 league in Europe) Spanoulis = considered one of the top 2 payers in Euroleague along with Navarro Dig up every single Vesely quote you can. If you can find anything saying the Euroleague has better and more athletic players DO IT. Otherwise stop trolling me.
