I never said that. Maybe oxycontin had more to do with it than the commentary. Maybe Rush orchestrated his exit in this fashion? Who knows?
I keep hearing that he may have created the controversy in order to step down too. The way he was hyping a job in broadcasting football over the last year (or two), I'd doubt it. Closer to the truth is that when paired with the Countdown crew he felt inferior.
Pardon my generalizing. But it seems to me that only people who ever complain about Political Correctness are 1) hack comedians and 2) some of the dumber conservatives Bad comedians complain about it because it cuts their "ability" off at a certain point.. they lose the ability to be funny once they can't use old material that would have passed for status-quo back in the 1940s. Dumber conservatives complain about it because it gives them an excuse to bring up the sorely over-used and grossly false "liberal media" myth and make themselves look like victims, when in fact the victims are the people whom they lash out at with their non-PC remarks. It's not "liberal media" guys, it's a progressing society.
Since when do you need proof of ANYTHING to state an OPINION? Maybe Rush should have had the opportunity to answer that question.
You can't hype the whole stable of black QB's, as it would be obvious. You take the creme of the crop and fertilize it.
I think you're gay and that Rush is a racist homosexual pig ****er. And to top things off, I'm going to spout this trash on national television. I mean, I have no proof to back that up, but it is my opinion, so you can't say anything about it. See how stupid that sounds? If Rush is going to make a devisive claim like the ignorant one he made, he better damn well have the proof to back it up. "Creme of the crop" my ass. Do you really believe that Vick or McNair aren't better QBs? Is the only reason Vick was on the cover of Madden simply because he was black?
That is one badass post. One of the best I've ever read here. Here's a backslap from the conservatives' mythical cadre on this board (giddyup seem especially scared of the mythical cadre).
You just proved his point. You can say those things all you want, you'd be an idiot, but it wouldn't make you a racist or a homophobe. What you are doing may be wrong on a personal level, but it doesn't mean it is generally or morally wrong. But beyond that, Rush didn't even have the opportunity to go on the air and say he has no proof whereas you are spouting it out completely. Giddyup is right here. Let me ask you folks a question. Who is the first/only black quarterback to win a Superbowl? For some reason I've known this since I was maybe 14. Why? Because it has been mentioned during football broadcasts or as a trivia question hundreds of times. Never once have I heard who is the only Jewish quarterback to win a Superbowl. Is there one? Who knows, its just not a question you here. Do I think black quarterbacks are overhyped by the media? Yes. Do I have proof? No, but as has been mentioned, one only has to look as far as Kordell Stewart to at least get some feel that it may be the case. David Carr was second in the AFC in rushing as a quarterback last year (I think), but you don't hear about his great running ability. Face the facts. Black quarterbacks are looked at and marketed differently than white quarterbacks in the NFL. White quarterbacks are your only somewhat athletic traditional drop-back quarterbacks. Black quarterbacks are athletic "freaks" who will revolutionize the game with their combined running and passing skills. Some of them are overhyped. Some partially because they are black. My feel is that Donovan McNabb probably falls somewhat into that category, but hey I don't have proof. If anything is obvious here, it's that Rush Limbaugh is a freaking moron. If anything is completely unclear, it is that Rush Limbaugh may or may not be a racist. Given that we can all agree (can't we?) that he's a moron, being a racist wouldn't be that surprising. But it doesn't mean he is.
Why are you so hostile? You need to get over yourself and let someone else have an opinion. BTW, the only ones blind to PC are those who practice it.
Donovan has officially become my favorite football player. He didn't ask for any of this crap. I hope he breaks every damn record in the books now. F*ck Rush. He's an idiot. Tom Jackson. Right on. Peter King from SI confirmed that Jackson would not have returned if Rush had. Sometimes "You got-ta fight the powers that be".
Great post JazyZ750. What really makes it great is that I don't agree with your conclusions about Rush but thanks for giving both Rush and me the right to our opinions without demonizing us for them as some others do. Well, sometimes Rush is an idiot. But this is not an instance of that <b>in my opinion</b>-- somebody hold back RM95. He's about to spew all over me again! Re-read Slate. Re-read Sowell. Rush is only observing a fairly innocuous example of what is usually called reverse-racism. BTW, <b>JayZ750</b>: The answer to your question is, of course, Doug Williams.
Let me ask you a question. When was it widely percieved that a Jewish man was too dim-witted/dumb to win a SuperBowl. Damn. Black man work his @ss off to get somewhere only to find out that he didn't earn it. Black man sit on his @ss and is told to work hard and earn it. What's a brother to do? Most people on this board have no idea how deeply Rush's comments may affect McNabb for the remainder of his career. Hopefully it's for the positive.
Originally posted by JayZ750 You just proved his point. You can say those things all you want, you'd be an idiot, but it wouldn't make you a racist or a homophobe. What you are doing may be wrong on a personal level, but it doesn't mean it is generally or morally wrong. But beyond that, Rush didn't even have the opportunity to go on the air and say he has no proof whereas you are spouting it out completely. Giddyup is right here. Limbaugh's history is relevant to judgements on his status as a racist. His statement isn't an isolated event devoid of context as you'd attempt to make it appear. Rush didn't have the opportunity to offer proof because his opinion was so hateful and baseless that it didn't need to be taken seriously. It would have been even more insulting to those offended to allow him to spin his race baiting into some other nonsense. When Sammy Sosa said that he was getting so much corked bat attention because he was Hispanic, where were the people defending him with well let him present his proof? Same with Dusty Baker's stupid darker skinned guys play better in the heat comments. Where were all of you standing up for Limbaugh now back then? I'm betting you were all decrying how stupid the comments were but hey Limbaugh had a point! Yeah... Let me ask you folks a question. Who is the first/only black quarterback to win a Superbowl? For some reason I've known this since I was maybe 14. Why? Because it has been mentioned during football broadcasts or as a trivia question hundreds of times. Never once have I heard who is the only Jewish quarterback to win a Superbowl. Is there one? Who knows, its just not a question you here. You might have a point if there was ever a practice in organized football where Jewish athletes were denied the opportunity to play quarterback as black athletes were denied. That is why Doug Williams is significant. I don't understand how something so simple becomes so difficult to follow and is perverted to mean something other than what it really is. Do I think black quarterbacks are overhyped by the media? Yes. Do I have proof? No, but as has been mentioned, one only has to look as far as Kordell Stewart to at least get some feel that it may be the case. David Carr was second in the AFC in rushing as a quarterback last year (I think), but you don't hear about his great running ability. So you agree with Limbaugh too? That's special, you and giddy in the same boat with ole Rush. David Carr led the worst offense in football on one of the worst teams in football! McNabb and his team went to the conference championship! Carr had 282 yards in 16 games with a 4.8 yard average to McNabb's 460 yards in 10 games with 7.3 yard average. I guess that's why we didn't hear about Carr's great running ability? Face the facts. Black quarterbacks are looked at and marketed differently than white quarterbacks in the NFL. White quarterbacks are your only somewhat athletic traditional drop-back quarterbacks. Black quarterbacks are athletic "freaks" who will revolutionize the game with their combined running and passing skills. Some of them are overhyped. Some partially because they are black. My feel is that Donovan McNabb probably falls somewhat into that category, but hey I don't have proof. How is Donovan McNabb marketed differently than John Elway or Steve Young or Mark Brunell or Jake Plummer? Or are we now going to extend ad agencies to "media", as in ad agencies are desirous to have black quarterbacks do well so they hand them paying commercial spots just for the heck of it. I don't recall Doug Williams, since you brought him up, being hyped as an athletic freak. Nor Warren Moon or even now Byron Leftwich. Sounds to me that you're just seeing what you want to see. There are really a lot more significant factors going into why McNabb is popular than his simply being black. His playing in a hardcore sportstown like Philly, being good looking, articulate, personable, and pretty much being the identity of a championship caliber team are some examples of things more significant and oh by the way he's a pretty good QB. If anything is obvious here, it's that Rush Limbaugh is a freaking moron. If anything is completely unclear, it is that Rush Limbaugh may or may not be a racist. Given that we can all agree (can't we?) that he's a moron, being a racist wouldn't be that surprising. But it doesn't mean he is. But you agree with him so... oookay.
timing: "Limbaugh's history is relevant to judgements on his status as a racist. His statement isn't an isolated event devoid of context as you'd attempt to make it appear. Rush didn't have the opportunity to offer proof because his opinion was so hateful and baseless that it didn't need to be taken seriously. It would have been even more insulting to those offended to allow him to spin his race baiting into some other nonsense." giddyup: Please inform us of Rush's racist history. We're waiting... and don't try that "everybody already know it nonsense..." timing: "When Sammy Sosa said that he was getting so much corked bat attention because he was Hispanic, where were the people defending him with well let him present his proof? Same with Dusty Baker's stupid darker skinned guys play better in the heat comments. Where were all of you standing up for Limbaugh now back then? I'm betting you were all decrying how stupid the comments were but hey Limbaugh had a point! Yeah..." giddyup: Sammy got so much attention because his freakin' bat was corked (who else has recently been busted on that) and he is in the hunt for some significant baseball records. Baseball purists don't go for questionable judgement much less outright illegal behavior. Ask Pete Rose. I think Dusty Baker had a very legitimate opinion. He only had 30 years in baseball to back it up. You can't be afraid of the truth just beause it has a racial component to it. For the record, I think Jimmy the Greek got screwed out of a career. Howard Cosell's "little monkey" comments I have way less sympathy for. Of all these examples, that would seem to me to be the most hateful (emphasis seem), but then you have to reconcile that with his ardent support and admiration for Muhammad Ali.
Great post JazyZ750. What really makes it great is that I don't agree with your conclusions about Rush but thanks for giving both Rush and me the right to our opinions without demonizing us for them as some others do. So, basically, what you're saying is that its OK for Rush to say what he wants about McNabb and the media, but its bad for anyone to say what they want about Rush. Correct? Because we're "demonizing" people, while Rush is just stating an opinion?
Didn't Rush DEMONIZE the Dixie Chicks for their opinion? I know alot of dittoheads did Why is this different? Rocket RIver
<b>Major</b> and <RocketRiver</b>: Criticizing is okay; demonizing is not. BTW, I was primarily talking me and about how RM95 and timing were loosely insinuating that I, too, was a racist becasue I agreed with Limbaugh. I think they, and others, have contorted what Limbaugh said to satisfy their own views. Several contributors (Slate, Sowell, Maher) have set the record straight about exactly what Limbaugh said for those who refuse to see it. Didn't the Dixie Chicks say something like they were "ashamed" of their President. That is just childish poppycock. Their remarks were just off the cuff in a preamble to one of their performances-- poorly chosen words to boot. Intelligent criticism is okay, but those kind of cheap shots are worthless. Honestly, I don't know how Rush resonded. I don't listen to him all that much-- moreso in the past than now. Affirmative Action Accolades indeed!
I miss the edit function. I hope you can figure out what I wrote above. <b>RocketRiver</b>, that is you just beyond the "and."
Are you implying that Jewish people haven't been discriminated against historically. It doesn't just ahve to be on an intelligence/smarts basis either. It is a ludicrious implication, if so. School Ties is just a movie, but it shows the story. Besides, it was just a choice of groups. Choose another. Choose another sport or profession. Why should McNabb feel slighted. Because hundreds upon hundres of people have cried foul at his "accuser"? My opinion is simply that a lot of people here and across the country are failing to distinguish between right/wrong and racist/non-racist. How can you deny the white slow drop back quarterback versus black athletic freak quarterback perceptions?
