[ESPN] Who will go number 1: Bridgewater vs. Clowney

You sure do a lot of backtracking...

I hope you have fun watching my guy Teddy win a ton of games for the Texans. Just know, any time you try to act like you've always wanted him, I will be there to reveal the truth.

Truth hurts, don't it?

 

Show where Ive backtracked...you're going around in circles because you have no idea what you're even arguing.

Like Ive said maybe 3 times in this thread alone...if we are at 1-1, then I have no problem taking Teddy with the pick.

Will I be surprised if he becomes an elite QB? Yeah...would I be surprised if he is a good NFL QB? No.

I will gladly admit that I was wrong about him if we put Teddy in the same sentences as Rodgers and Brady in a few seasons. This isnt a 3rd grade pissing contest here.

 

i'm glad to help you see the light.

keep in mind i know what i am talking about. i was pounding the table for russell wilson in the 1st round two years ago.

now, 2 steps back.

 

Stop flattering yourself...you're not making me see ****.

Ive been around the game much more than you have, it's painfully obvious by the way you discuss football. I had season tickets to the Oilers from 1990 all the way until they left town...Im guessing you were born in the mid 90's? In other words, I was at the Montana playoff comeback against the Oilers when you were probably still in the womb. I used to hang out with and play catch with Cody Carlson almost on a weekly basis...go ahead and google that name. Ive been around football my whole life...a life that is definitely further along than yours, so please spare me, and the rest of this board, with your nonsense.

 

Petition to retitle thread to "HTown_DieHard's Tirade."

 

Rotoworld's Josh Norris' Top 32

Please do not take these comparisons literally. In many cases, I tried to find a similar athlete, play style, and/or role in the NFL.

1. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville*

NFL Comparison: Russell Wilson, but three inches taller.

Where He Wins: Excellent pocket movement. Bounces off his back foot to step up against edge pressure and isn’t afraid to slide laterally when faced with an interior rush. Keeps eyes up to survey coverages and works to multiple reads. Placement and touch are there, but has the velocity to hit vertical routes on the move. Not afraid to give a covered receiver in single coverage a chance to win. Reports have stated he takes care of many checks at the line of scrimmage.

Where He Fits: He fits any offense. Sustains success from the pocket but also has mobility which isn’t showcased often. Hits every level with placement and timing.

2014 Draft Projection: No. 1 or 2 pick.



2. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina*

NFL Comparison: Uses a J.J. Watt like swim move, athleticism might be Julius Peppers-esque.

Where He Wins: Predominantly lines up at right defensive end in a three-point stance as a five, seven, or nine technique. His explosion off the snap is ridiculous, gaining an instant advantage against his competition. Obviously the swarming wingspan and closing speed is there, and he enjoys finishing hits with force. Has frequently taken the inside line this year, likely due to the shorter distance to the backfield. Loves to utilize an arm over swim and athletic footwork is on displays when avoiding cut blocks. Loops inside with ease. A rare power and speed athlete.

Where He Fits: Most experience in a four man front, but his talent could be used in any defensive scheme.

Draft Projection: The first non-QB off the board. Top-5 pick.



3. Pass rushing OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA

NFL Comparison: Athleticism could be similar to Bruce Irvin.

Where He Wins: The lightning-quick pass rusher is able to gain an advantage on the edge and keep it thanks to his burst off the line, ability to cut off either foot towards the quarterback, and flexibility to bend around the corner. He closes distances quickly, which can be effective from a variety of alignments, and Barr is a punishing finisher.

Where He Fits: Experience as a stand up rusher next to a three man front. Able to loop inside.

Draft Projection: Top-5 selection. Has a chance to be drafted over Clowney.



4. T Jake Matthews, Texas A&M

NFL Comparison: Jordan Gross

Where He Wins: Doesn’t sit back and wait, finds contact through his hands and is an aggressive blocker. Obtains inside hand positioning and adjusts if necessary. Athletic feet to keep proper shoulder alignment, which prevents bending from the waist. Displays ability to bend at the knee to absorb and redirect. Sets up cut blocks and drives through with force. Moving from right to left tackle.

Where He Fits: Has experience and played at a high level at left or right tackle.

Draft Projection: The top offensive tackle off the board. Top-10.

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27. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State (UP)

NFL Comparison: Jay Cutler

Where He Wins: Has an incredible arm, not only when discussing velocity but also touch. Is forced to throw a lot of screens, but is an excellent vertical passer when given the opportunity. Shows athleticism when scrambling outside of the pocket. Aren’t many windows he can’t test.

Where He Fits: Doesn’t always throw from a balanced base but has improved willingness to take a hit on release.

Draft Projection: Likely the second quarterback off the board.



28. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M**

NFL Comparison: Tony Romo in terms of improvisational style.

Where He Wins: Wearing down defenses with tempo. A master of broken plays. Stretches teams laterally with his feet. Forces defenses to match up with quick passes followed by elongated plays with little time to rest in between.

Where He Fits: Has shown development from the pocket, but could thrive in a creative system. Thrives on broken plays. Drops his eye level, but can magically find open space and available passing lanes to connect on ridiculous completions. Will test tight single coverage. Gives his receiver a shot. Can also be a quick decision maker, which is key to Air Raid. Has made more throws outside the numbers and downfield this season. Obviously extremely mobile.

Draft Projection: Top-10.

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No Hundley in the 1st round, and not included in his "next tier" of QBs (which only includes Boyd and Bortles), not sure if he was included at all, or if he thinks Hundley will be there in the 2nd round, which would be my ideal pick.

 

4 Aggies, that's fun. I wish those QB's were falling that low, we'd have a real shot at keeping the #1 and trading up for a 2nd, late first rounder. I don't care about the past, Carr/Clowney seems like the best possible combo available that is practical enough to happen (according to those rankings).

 

Kiper: Texans should draft Barr or Clowney

 

You really never know who will excel at the next level.

What did Kiper say about Watt around draft time?
I could be completely wrong but he mentioned something about just being a solid player with little potential.

 

So he states that Teddy Bridgewater is a top 10 Pick- but suggest that the Texans pick Clownry or Barr.. not buying it.. I really thing Bridgewater will make the Texans regret not picking them.. More than one experts have compared this guy to a taller better Russel Wilson.. Should be # 1 Pick

 

Then why not trade down a couple spots to someone who will draft Clowney or Barr? My whole issue is using the #1 overall pick on him. If he is there at 3, 4 or 5 and we can nab him along with other picks from some team willing to trade up.

 

the problem is he states hes the top rated QB - Therefore if you trade down-
the teams before you might draft him- being he is rated # 1 at his position.. Risky move

 

I get that Clowney and maybe Barr are better talents at their position than Bridgewater is at his. But think of it like this, you would never draft Shane Lechler over Andrew Luck just because he's the best ever at his position. Positions have varying degrees of value and perhaps Clowney becomes the best Defensive end in the league and Bridgewater only top 5 QB.

The value of having a top 5 QB outweighs having the top DE don't you think. IDK for sure but I certainly think there is more value in the QB position over the DE position. Just think, would the COlts trade Luck for Watt or seattle trade Wilson for Watt or the 49ers Kapernick... very doubtful

The QB is the most important position in the league and I'm not claiming how successful Bridgewater will be in the league but no one knows how well clowney will be either. Yeah Clowney gets the edge on talent alone but if effort and character having anything to contribute to success Bridgewater wins hands down.

 

I'm not too concerned with pre-draft comparisons and speculations. Even the most seasoned scouts and analysts have to be wrong a bunch of times a year. All of these players are coming into the draft with their own respective hype--if all of them deserved it, then no team would ever draft a bust. Obviously not possible.

All I'm saying is go for a position of need, which happens to also be the position with the highest potential to change the team, which also happens to feature a player who is arguably the BPA. It almost seems like a no-brainer...

 

Kiper is 100% accurate. Gave us a B for drafting JJ and said Brandon Harris with the 2nd round pick was the real value.

 

Cant wait to the combine, but i really think if Tedy is the BPA at his position- you take him.. If hes rated a top pick you take him.. If hes a bust- than so be it,
but i doubt he will be a bust.. Im pretty sure hes better than Locker or Ponder coming out of college and this guys where pick top 10 ...

 

Good Lord, the trolldom in here is strong.

the combine could turn this whole argument on it's head. I prefer Clowney, but i'm open to the new information that will come out over the next few months. I don't think we'll pass on him for a speeding ticket. we re-signed Cushing and he was suspended for using masking agents to cover up steroid use. I don't mind having a few boyscouts on the team (watt, Andre) but we also need some fierceness (Cush, Swearinger).

and for the guy who said you don't build a team around defense... well... that's stupid. The Giants and the Steelers won two superbowls with outstanding defense.

And yes, pass rushing is a huge position of need on this team. our front 5 get almost zero pressure on opposing QBs. i'd like to see the full list of QB's that are expected to be there in the 2nd round. i'm sure many of them well have comparable numbers to Bridgewater and it will be against much more legitimate competition.

 

Fierceness yes, stupidity No. I am not judging Clowney quite yet. A speeding ticket here and there is nothing. A little poor judgement at his age is no problem. A little bit of an ego is no problem. But where there is smoke many times there is fire and I would want to know he is just young and not really a stupid jerk. That being said unless there is a major change of info I still go with Bridgewater. Fierceness can come in QB's too and Bridgewater has it.

 

He gave the overall draft a B. Of JJ, he said "I think Houston did a solid job in terms of value in addressing what was simply a bad defense in 2010. Watt is a versatile defensive end who will fit that 3-4 scheme."

Not that I'm a huge Kiper aplogist. There are certainly others who's player evaluation carry more weight imo.