1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

ESPN: Warriors #fullsquad coming up empty

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. RocketsJumer

    RocketsJumer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Messages:
    13,677
    Likes Received:
    1,920
    Yeah, I don't understand Simmons infatuation with the Warriors. I get they're fun but picking them over the Rockets or Clippers in a playoff series, huh?! I remember the last Bird-mester in which he had them ranked ahead of us and named them the Dark Horse. At that time, they weren't even in the playoffs and now they are a 7th seed that can't keep up with the Suns, much less the Rockets or Clippers. I just don't understand especially since we seem to have their number and are flat out better than them.
     
  2. clutch citizen

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    5,326
    Likes Received:
    2,089
    Reminds me of the Pierce/Walker Celtics.
     
  3. The_Yoyo

    The_Yoyo Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2001
    Messages:
    16,683
    Likes Received:
    2,873
    the warriors are a fun team - they have the pieces i feel and should be better even with the injury to Iggy earlier in the season (though its funny a lot of places keep saying injuries are why the Warriors aren't doing as well when the Rockets have been far more injured than they have this season) - and even with their current record they had a huge 10 game winning streak earlier this season which seems more of an anomaly now they way they have been playing.

    Again the Warriors are primarily a jump shooting team that got insanely hot in last year's playoffs and beat a denver team that was built for the regular season and not the playoffs. They continued to be hot and came close with the Spurs but the Spurs were too disciplined to lose to a team like GS last year.

    They are playing better defense but their offense has dropped - they play at a faster pace than the Rockets but score 4 less points a game.


    As it stands amongst the "hyped" teams in the west GS and Portland are the two teams I would want to see most in the first round compared to OKC, Spurs, Clippers - even Dallas
     
  4. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    35,433
    Likes Received:
    22,571
    It's cause Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes are screwing up and not playing as good as people thought.

    Everyone thought Barnes was legit based on his playoffs as well as Klay. I'd say Bogut, Lee, Curry, and Iggy have mostly performed up to expectations.
     
  5. mario_v

    mario_v Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    4,271
    Likes Received:
    3,419
    I was listening to Stan van pelt and rusillo and they were ranking all the contenders in the west. Svp had okc, spurs,blazers, clippers and his dark horse was GS... Smh....no mention of the rockets.

    I've been saying it since last season, they're overrated. They're actually a worse team this season. They should've kept jack and Landry, instead they signed igudola which they had no need for since they already have a good SF in Barnes.

    I had them as a 7th seed at best.
     
  6. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,630
    Likes Received:
    4,729
    Iggy is actually playing pretty terrible right now.

    It might be due to his injury, or it might just be the fact that he had a hot start. He shot over 40% from 3 at the beginning of the season, and he took 3-4 a game, but his 3PT% last month is only 31%, so he is likely regressing back to the mean.
     
  7. shastarocket

    shastarocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    13,773
    Likes Received:
    1,082
    In GSW's defense, Landry has looked like trash since returning. Dude couldn't even capitalize on Cousins' injury (after our game)
     
  8. Pull_Up_3

    Pull_Up_3 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    6,089
    Likes Received:
    308
    thye wouldnt have beat denver had they not lost gallinari

    that Denver team was one no one wanted to play.
     
  9. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    35,433
    Likes Received:
    22,571
    Barnes isn't a good SF.

    He's shooting 40% to score 10 points
     
  10. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,836
    Likes Received:
    17,802
    Those two are really good they just suffer from the same thing we suffer. A poor x and o coach. The black Mchale.
     
    1 person likes this.
  11. Karolik

    Karolik Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2010
    Messages:
    5,405
    Likes Received:
    151
    Thats sad. They don't even have Dwight Howard and their defensive efficiency is better than us. They have 3 not very good defensive starters in Lee, Curry and Thompson. Just shows that our defensive coach (Sampson?) is straight up trash and schemes mean everything.
     
  12. HMMMHMM

    HMMMHMM Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2010
    Messages:
    4,031
    Likes Received:
    597
    Thing is, I don't think you can say Jackson is a poor X's and O's coach. The Warriors run some really neat stuff, with some of it being the very same stuff the Spurs or D'Antoni's high powered offenses run/ran.

    Their defense schemes are rock solid as well. And their game-planing -- as far as adjusting for certain styles of defenses goes -- has been quite solid, too.

    As Ethan Sherwood Strauss will tell you, their main problem mostly is their weird love for isolations and post-ups, i.e. their play-calling.
    If they chill out on those (especially the isolations for Barnes and post-up for O'Neal) and allocate those possessions to some more motion or pick and roll plays they very much would be a dangerous team.

    It doesn't quite end there, though, as another issue for them has been the use of their lineups and Jackson's resistance to their 4-out lineups and stagging lineups -- using Iguodala as the de facto PG on the second unit.

    So, I do think it's fair to criticize Jackson for not figuring out what would seem like two key, yet simple, adjustments. But I don't think it's fair to call him a poor X's and O's coach. Their playbook is top-10 material IMO.

    Klay has a few short-comings, but he's actually quite solid on D.
     
    #32 HMMMHMM, Feb 7, 2014
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2014
    1 person likes this.
  13. VBG

    VBG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    7,990
    Likes Received:
    307
    Thompson is quite a good defender. They fit really well defensively. Iggy takes the best perimeter threat and does really well. Klay is overqualified to shut down the 2nd perimeter threat. That leaves Curry on the 3rd threat who usually he can handle.

    Bogut anchors the middle and Lee takes the 2nd big man. There aren't many teams with two serious big men to worry about.
     
  14. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,836
    Likes Received:
    17,802
    Nice cover up for Lee. Should've just said he's almost 7ft tall so there's no way he's a defensive liability.
     
  15. Zergling

    Zergling Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    5,728
    Likes Received:
    3,629
    Not only is the Iggy acquisition NOT the solution to bolting them into contender status, but now they are stuck with that big contract for 3 more years. Have fun with that, GS.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    22,560
    Likes Received:
    14,294
    Essentially, GSW's young talent has been performing below expectations (Barnes and Thompson) while their marquee FA acquisition (Iguodala) looks like an injury has been nagging them. Curry has been awesome and Lee has his defensive limitations, while Bogut has remained healthy but has little offensive game. I like GSW's coaching staff which seems similar to ours in that they are still figuring out how to fit all the pieces together. However, the ROXs have a brighter future.
     
  17. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    38,172
    Likes Received:
    29,650
    I wouldn't count the Warriors out yet. They have the talent. They just need to figure out how to put them together. Kind of on the same boat with Houston. I wouldn't say Jackson is the black McHale. It's more like McHale is the black Jackson. j/k
     
  18. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,575
    Kevin McHale is Croatian American. Croatians make great sports coaches.
    Rudy Tomjanovich, Greg Popovich, Bill Belichick and Nick Saban are all fellow Croatian American coaches.
     
  19. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    38,495
    Likes Received:
    33,683
    GS is dangerous


































    ly close to not making the playoffs.
     
  20. HR Dept

    HR Dept Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2012
    Messages:
    6,792
    Likes Received:
    1,223
    GS will be a tough out come playoff time.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now