A fifty game season is not the same as an eighty game season. A handful of back-to-back-to-backs is not the same as thirty extra games. No matter the coaching job, it is questionable whether an old Knicks team could've done the same thing in the playoffs had they played those three months and 30 ballgames.
exactly. that's why i don't get the bashing. we won a mediocre 43 games before he got here. however, we've averaged an amazing 43 wins per season since he's been there. how can y'all discount such a turnaround? nuggets over sonics in 1994 (thank you dikembe!). and this wasn't quite the nuggets over sonics upset. it was 27 win team versus a 33 win team and the 27 win team had injuries and problems in the regular season to keep their total down. no doubt impressive to make it to the finals, but it was a very level (and mediocre) playing field in the east (27 and 33 translates to 45 and 54 wins in an 82 game season) and the knicks had just as much talent as anyone. so nice accomplishment, but hard a 16 seed making the final 4 or anything.
Last I checked, eighty was not the same as fifty, regardless of the length of the playoffs. How often does a #8 team just after the break end up out of the playoffs altogether? Just a thought.
yes we lost the series and were blown out in the last game, but if you want to say losing in 7 games and being up 3-1 is embarrassing then whatever. ok how do I put this more clearly? HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN YOUR ENTIRE FRANCHISE IS HURT????? how far do you think the heat go if d-wade and shaq are done for the year? what if terry and dirk went down next year? would you say avery is holding the team back and it's clearly his fault the team didn't do better? and quit being so nit picky about "we". I bought rockets tickets and supported the team. so I helped pay for their salaries in a very miniscule way. why can't I say "we" if you want to be that picky?
now you are pulling out the old canned argument to when a fan uses the word "we" edc, you live in the past, you use old arguments that mean absolutely nothing to the 2006-2007 Houston Rockets... and you cant even admit when you are wrong (the Rockets had three home games after beating Dallas at home in the playoffs)
in the 50 game season the knicks werent that old either...ewing was hurt, sprewell and camby came to the knicks. sprewell got hurt...so both he and ewing missed a number of games. they played 3 games in a row that season a couple of times...so again edc knows not what hes talking about. the next season they went back to the eastern conference finals...lost to indy with ewing out 2 of the 6 games.
Yeah all of that is true... But I think that Avery survived because he was smart and had basketball IQ. Elie I think on the other hand survived more because he was a hard nosed player. I'm just not convinced that Elie has the IQ yet to be a head coach. I could be wrong, but Avery was a guy who had to pick apart a defense when he played the point while Ellie contributed mostly by playing hard assed defense and hitting open shots. I can see Avery's translating to a good coach the first year.. but Ellie? I think he needs a few years as an assistant. Mike
Sorry, the "we" thing always bugs me. Paying for tickets makes one no more part of an organization than paying to see "Cars" puts them on the board of Pixar/Disney. I pointed out that it was not germane to the discussion. What is relevant to the 2006-2007 Rockets is that they need a new head coach, and that what has roosted in Houston is *exactly* the same egg that sat in new York all those years. Apologies to the great across 110th street for offending him. I *made a mistake*. I have no problem admitting when it happens. Have done so a couple times in this very thread (unless that's a mistake, and its the other, similar thread).
In 1998-1999 Patrick Ewing: 36 Latrell Sprewell: 28 Allan Houston: 27 Larry Johnson: 30 Kurt Thomas: 26 Charlie Ward: 28 Marcus Camby: 25 Chris Childs: 31 Chris Dudley: 34 Ben Davis: 26 (*) Herb Williams: (no DOB listed) Rick Brunson: 27 David Wingate: 35 Not a single player under 25. Five guys the wrong side of thirty. Sorry, but that is "old." I also mentioned the back-to-back-to-backs. A handful of those are not the same as thirty games not played.
playing 50 games in 3 and a half months is much more difficult than 82 over 6 months...much less rest. also was van gundy the gm in new york? is he the gm here? and tell me what championship teams rely on rookies. and the point about avery being smarter than elie...he was smarter because he had duncan and robinson on his team together with elliott and then elie...he was a below average point guard that san antonio won with despite him not because of him...and will anyone acknowledge that don nelson set him up well with such a great and deep team. and that cuban is like the red sox...they may spend less than the knicks but a helluva a lot more than any other team. isnt that why they have depth?
yes but the group of fans as a whole are apart of the rockets organization. why? because they are the basis for the existence of the team. you cannot deny that point. if you are going to see a disney movie you aren't doing it to support disney or disney's writers, producers, directors, and actors. we support the rockets and they are apart of the houston community. we refers to being apart of houston and the community. is this good enough? anyhow...i know your life doesn't revolve around responding to posts but i will repost this anyway because i am bored at work "yes we lost the series and were blown out in the last game, but if you want to say losing in 7 games and being up 3-1 is embarrassing then whatever. ok how do I put this more clearly? HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN YOUR ENTIRE FRANCHISE IS HURT????? how far do you think the heat go if d-wade and shaq are done for the year? what if terry and dirk went down next year? would you say avery is holding the team back and it's clearly his fault the team didn't do better?"
You tell me why the Rockets all of a sudden were buried with "Mister Van Gundy guys," when they never previously had a prediliction for old former Knicks. As far as championship teams and rookies, seems to me Bob Horry and Sam Cassell were both young players and very important to the Rockets' championships.
Conversely, the only thing that ties an owner to a city is a contract. Le$ would've happily moved the Rockets to some other place and some other fans. Besides, the existence of the Rockets is due to some guys in San Diego, and the basis of their existence in Houston is due to Mickey Herskowitz and a couple dozen of his buddies. Despite the claims of Bud Adams, the Oilers moving was strictly for cash, and the fans wishes were never taken into consideration. "We" can refer to Houstonians, or Rocket fans, or whatever, but it still doesn't make one part of the organization. "Our team" bugs me less, To your other point, nobody wants to hear about injuries when they cry "four lottery years," so that is not an excuse here. Even if you give it a wash, that is no reason for a contract extension. NONE.
What does this have to do with the 2006-2007 Houston Rockets? why are you so obseseed with JVG's connection to the Knicks? he has moved on, its time you did as well...
why are you so obseseed with JVG's connection to the Knicks? lol. really. people have the same old weak arguments to hate on JVG. "He only likes old players " (despite the fact that the teams best players are all under 27), "he cant coach offense" (they ignore the poor shooting by the team), "He is too strict", "he doesnt adjust", and my favorite "he's too negative".
Mister Van Gundy is the coach of the team, his contract is either going to be renewed or not. Some might say that, Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming's ongoing health are the three biggest questions concerning the 2006-2007 Rockets and beyond. Considering how hard the coach wanted Charlie Ward on this Rockets team, and how he has said on a number of occasions he wants his point guards to all be "just like Charlie Ward," there is question whether "he has moved on" at all.
I am sorry... But I don't know who's nuttier. EDC and the like or people that constantly give them the time of day on these types of posts. Its like when I go and talk to someone that is an Atheist. Does it even matter that I spend time on someone who has absolutely made up their mind there is no God? Provide them with all kind of proof that MAYBE there is...and NOPE. Closed minded. Gundy can win 50 rings. When you don't like someone, you just don't. Like Jews and Arabs. People sometimes just don't like others, period. On a related note, I LOVE Hakeem!
