Other than the fact he brought the same act from New York to Houston, all that is relevant to this discussion is what he has done IN HOUSTON. How many championship rings does Mister Van Gundy have? How many second and third round playoff appearances has Mr. Van Gundy led the Houston Rockets to? Mister Van Gundy's regular season winning percentage with the Houston Rockets? 0.528 That puts him behind Bill Fitch, Don Chaney, and (yes) Rudy Tomjanovich in winning percentage as a Rockets head coach. What about the offensive prowess of Mister Van Gundy's teams over the last three years? WERE YOU NOT STATING THESE FACTS FOR A REASON?
I figured you'd find your own way to crap on the 8th highest winning percentage COACH IN NBA HISTORY. IN CASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE RUDY WOULD HAVE BEEN UP THERE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIS LOSING ASS RECORD THE LAST 8 YEARS. YOU wouldn't happen to be a AND1 fan are you.....Get over it Steve....oh wait.....thats it...you are Steve and you want JVG to come back to coach your new and his old team, because you just can't stand that your new coach is still a better point guard than you. GUYS I think we are cutting into EDC's time to debate the brick wall that goes round and round... you do admit that it's a brick wall. GOOD LUCK MARIO....STEVE/CAT....RUDY....stay off our bandwagon PHIL. If you want to argue that JVG 9/10 winning seasons makes him a C coach then you have to grade him at 90% which is an A and I believe it would be Rudy at a C or D...of course Mario is an F. As for post season 2/3 isn't bad, I want better too, but I don't want to wait another 5 years in between....sorry Rudy I love you but your coaching was driving the whole town to drink. By the way if I'm not mistaking with the new playoff seeding I believe we would have recieved a different matchup that could put us further than the first round, which sucked for us and for the spurs this year...but I'll take it because like JVG says..."You have to beat the best to be the best"..Don't you wish the team was full of straight shooters like JVG?
"Losing ass record over the last eight years?" I don't call .553 over those years in the regular season "losing ass." Also, for those who have conveniently forgotten, the Lakers were at .558 when Tomjanovich left. Mister Van Gundy's record over the same time span? 0.549. The 57-win season his first full year in New York ("coaching somebody else's team") tends to bias his winning percentage a bit. The median is also .549, and the mode is in the .520's or .540's, with the higher getting the edge since the 10-9 partial season counts as .526.
LMAO! The writer must be an idiot. If some readers believe this, then the reader must be also an idiot. I highly doubt JVG is the 8th winningest coach among the active coaches. I can find 10 ACTIVE coaches with better regular season winning % that is better than JVG ... courtesy of nba.com Avery Johnson .760 Phil Jackson .713 Greg Popvinch .673 Pat Riley .661 Mike Brown .610 Rick Carlisle .600 George Karl .590 Flip Saunders .580 Jerry Sloan .599 Lawrence Frank .569 <Sigh>.... cant even count. Lol. btw. could u guys get over this JVG crap? It's so old and boring.
I concur. I'll keep going as long as they want to, but the point is moot given his imminent departure.
Sorry double bogey that stat you can't believe came from nba.com. It also quotes his percentage at 568 edc over his career. OK how may years did it take Rudy to win a ring? Was it three?I can't remember....but truly if you are fed up with VanGundy after 3 seasons, 2 to be fair to him....I ask? How many losing seasons were you ready to endure if Rudy was never let go? And how come JVG is a failure because of 3 years and Rudy is not after 9? I think you are giving Rudy more credit than he is due. Without Dream he was nada. How many times did the rockets make the playoffs after the Barkley/Pippen era? Was it five years... Listen call it a truce and give JVG one more season...we can debate more as the season goes....appreciate the jarring...its been fun...I admire your adamancy...but JVG is here lets just hope he does well as rockets fans.
This is meant to answer these questions: There is nothing to do but give Mr. Van Gundy this season. Should there be an extended losing streak, or the Rockets are mired around .500 by the break he might be fired mid-season, neither of which would be all that much fun to watch. "After the Barkley/Pippin era," there was an injury season (which, believe it or not, was every bit as riddled as this past season was), which led to the Steve Francis pick, followed by a 45-win season, followed by an injury season (perhaps not equal to the other two, but Francis was what the team was built around), followed by a 43-win season. I honestly don't find the following 45-win season any kind of improvement. 0.568 is Mr. Van Gundy's *mean* (total rs wins / total rs games coached). The median and mode are other ways of measuring "the average." Tomjanovich took over the Rockets mid-season. His first full season the Rockets went seven games in the WC semis. The second full season, the Rockets won a championship.
edc he aint going nowhere...rudy 5 straight lottery years...what an apologist. larry brown...23 wins this year...what an apologist. during the 45 win year that was with olajuwon...failed to make playoffs. lost 15 straight one year...what an apologist. if you want to kill van gundy ... cool. just try some sort of fairness...at leat van gundy had the courage to try to do it in more than one city...
Nope. Pretty much everyone agrees this is the "make or break" season. The odds are far more likely Mr. Van Gundy is done than back in 2007-2008. At a guess, deep into the semis to guarantee a one-year extension, deep into the WC or NBA Finals to guarantee more than that.
why would this be a make or break season? he inherited an awful team loaded with obscene contracts. lost rice, griffin, and posey for nothing. made playoffs after 4 straight rudy lottery years. ups francis' mobley's and cato's value so they can be traded for mcgrady. still trying to unload all the bad contracts. go 45-20 over the last 65 lose a tough series to a superior team. 3rd year...bad everything and win 34. so why wouldnt he be given time to really turn this around? we forget just how awful the rockets were before he came and just how bad their contractual situation was. who of all these talented players have gone on to do anything? francis? no. taylor? no. cato? no. and why does edc always analyze coaching...everyone knows its a players league and he acts like we won because we had rudy and lose because of van gundy...its the players dummy.
Because Le$ said at the hiring press conference Mister Van Gundy was brought in to "win and win now." He hasn't done that, and the Rockets are no closer to winning a championship. Do you honestly believe Mr. Van Gundy has earned a contract extension?
three home games... and by the basis of your twisted rational, jvg is no better than Avery Johnson... they both went to the Finals once.... and lost... youve been using the same tired argument for three years now...
The Rockets were up 2-0 over the Mavericks with four home games remaining. The Mavericks were up 2-0 over the Heat with two home games remaining. The significant difference between Mr. Van Gundy's Knicks and Avery Johnson's Mavericks is that one did it after a full season and the other did it after a bastardized, 60% of a lockout season.
That's what you think the signficant difference between those teams are? You are no longer worth the effort of discussion. as a last thought I will leave these little nuggets then let you continue with post after post of your in depth analysis of our coaching and management failures: Ryan Bown vs. Dirk "the german waffle" Nowitski The 1998-99 knicks that you use to degrade JVG's coaching had an amazing post season run (when they really should not have been there at all - sounds familiar actually). They beat the #1 seed in the first round. Only time in history that an eighth seed defeated a number one seed in the playoffs. Defeated the Hawks in the second round - swept them. Played the pacers in the conference finals - lost Ewing to injury before game 3. Still made it to the finals. Unbelievably JVG's coaching was so bad that he could not find a way to coach his no depth/injury laden team past David Robinson/Tim Duncan and company. You are obviously an intelligent person, but it is sometimes better to think about issues without emotion in order to see what a truth might be. You are so clouded by your emotion and preconceptions that there is no way to have an intelligent debate. Carry on guys. I have work to do...
I haven't read the entire thread but... what was worse? losing yao, tmac, and sura or jvg coaching the team? it's hard to make any progress when your best 3 players are hurt. do you even think it is possible we beat dallas with a healthy sura? or is jvg that horrible? obviously I know the answers but I ask anyway.
Funny, I thought that every single season ever played in the NBA has had the same number of playoff games. Did they reduce the number of playoff games in 1999? Oh, you mean they had the same number of playoff games in 1999 as they did in 1998, 1997, etc.? So all teams had an even chance to succeed in the playoffs? Oh, and you're saying that JVG's team had the #1 seed? What- they were #8 instead of #1? Utterly ridiculous. Weak arguments. Yet, because I don't believe in the "Ignore" list, I'm forced to read: E very D umb C omment
"We" never played Dallas, unless you are not telling the class something. (Unimportant, but "we" are not on the court, and "we" do not play the games). Injuries are an excuse. Nobody cuts Tomjanovich any slack for two injury-riddled seasons, so Mr. Van Gundy gets none for the Rockets moving backwards last season. Is it possible the Rockets beat Dallas with a healthy Sura? There are always possibilities. However, that "if" is irrelevant. Sura was injured, and the Rockets got embarassed. Has the coach done ANYTHING to earn an extension. He's already gotten one year for no reason other than to placate Le$ ego.
That's your question. It certainly wasn't the intent of this thread before it was hijacked by your ten posts a page - unless of course there is something you aren't sharing with the class...
