[ESPN] Update on Vince Carter rumors (includes proposals)

Lol at people sleeping on Baron Davis.

I've seen the dude play on the Clippers, if you honestly think he's giving his best...

Come on now, who cares about his contract, he has 5 good years of Bball left. Put this dude on a playoff team and you'll all be sorry. I guarantee it.

 

Im not gonna come out and say that Rafer is a better point guard than Baron, BUT, to fans of a random team like Charlotte who don't watch the Rockets every day, wouldn't it seem equally absurd to suggest that Mike Dunleavy Jr. is better than TMac just based on the stats? Most people here would say that Dunleavy is clearly better, probably. When you don't watch a guy play every night you tend to just assume he's still great based off his name when he's actually fallen off a ton. BDiddy may not have fallen quite as far as it appears Tracy has, but it's quite possible that it's a similar situation there.

There's prolly just as many people in LA that have given up on Davis as there are people here than have given up on TMac. Doesn't make em right, but they're also probably just as right as we are about McGrady.

 

If do this ,where's our defense and energy.

 

Yes, because clearly there's no such thing as a stubborn conservative. It's common knowledge that narrow points of view are exclusive to liberals.

I think I just remembered why I never come into the GARM anymore...

 

When was the last time he's played any minutes at the 4.? Hassell is more of a slasher and mid range guy. He shoots better from the field, younger,cheaper, and shorter contract.

 

Are you stupid? Because you think I have a love for tmac which I don't, your obviously lost in a sea of hate... I will admit, tmac has been my fav. player but I know when its time to move on, and that might be now but JUST NOT FOR BARON.

Im all for the VC trade but I hate when people hate on tmac and give him nicknames that he doesent deserve, tmac has always been a great person who cares about houston and others in need (darfur), he also has a heart, I don't know about anyone around here but id put all of tmacs playoff perfromances ahead of baron davis's, even though mcgrady is always on the wrong end. From keeping us in game 6 against the jazz last year with 26 first half points, to the game winner against the mavs.

If you can't take it, maybe YOU should switch teams because tmac or not I will always be here.

 

Yeah that's right, but i've followed Baron Davis career.

He hasn't fallen off. He just has no reason to play being 29 years old and playing for one of the worst teams in the NBA. He's doing this crap to get traded.

 

You must be laughing at the whole NBA then because the Clippers have tried trading him away and they say no teams showed any type of interest at all. Hell the Mike Dunleavy didn't even want the Clippers to sign him because he said Baron is a headcase. The only reason the Clips signed him was because Elton told Dunleavy he would keep Baron in check. Well too bad Elton skated to Killadelphia.

If Baron contract had 1 or 2 years left I would be all for the trade you presented. A lot of teams would be after him probably.

 

As I said, "can play spot minutes." We've been uncharacteristically healthy up front. On the fair chance someone gets hurt, it would be awfully nice to have Battier instead of Hassell, no?

Secondly, yes, Hassell is "more of a slasher and mid-range guy." Now, if you're talking about a caliber of player who can be a viable 3rd/4th option, great. But Hassell isn't. Why in god's name would you ever hand the ball to Hassell when you have just as much chance letting McGrady/Artest/Yao toss something up while triple-teamed? With those guys in the lineup, you want complementary players who spread the floor. Battier does that. Hassell doesn't.

 

Wow....that actually works. I would do it but I doubt Les would....

 

Yeah I am laughing at the whole NBA, dude still has the abilities to be a top 5 PG, and he isn't losing that any time soon.

He acts like this crap player who can never stay healthy when his team sucks though. He's basically on a rebuilding team, and he's on his last legs. I think he still has 3 good years left in him...and Yao isn't getting any younger and trading for VC adds nothing to this team we don't have right now.

Baron is a headcase, but just know that if you put him in the right situation he becomes a beast. The right situation is simple, he just wants to play for a playoff team and have a lot of freedom. Adelman is going to give him his freedom(hell Artest and Tmac get theirs) and we are a playoff team.

I'm confident if we traded for him we'd get the 06/07 Bdiddy and not the late Hornets or Clipers Baron.

 

Barons always been a talented player and has been probably one of the more athletic dunking pgs in the past century, but if you can't win with Kaman, Camby, Randolph, Thorton and Gordon.....somethings wrong. Plus it was barons choice to go to LA.

Baron is a very charismatic guy with great talent as I've said, I just don't think he's an upgrade over mcgrady at this point in his career.

Great players shine where ever they are I.e. Kevin Durant or Caron Butler. Baron has just not done that this season and that's totally not all his fault.

I did love him upseting the mavs in the 1st round though. Should of stayed with golden state.

 

If we do trade for Vince Carter, I hope we would do the trade involving Tmac. I think Landry and Battier are important pieces for us.

I'm a huge Tmac fan, and I still think he is a top 5 talent in the NBA when healthy, and he is a better all around player than Carter, when healthy, but we may never see Tmac at 100% again, so I am not opposed to trading him, and Carter is as close to equal value as we may ever get for Tmac. Tmac did just about all he could do here in Houston, but just some bad luck with injuries and lack of support was the Rockets downfall over the last 4 years.


I don't know if Artest will work out with Carter either, but it won't hurt to try it out. We aren't going to get an athletic wing or a good point guard for Artest anyways, so might as well keep him until the year is over, and who knows, he could be a matchup nightmare against certain teams, such as the Spurs or he could help Battier guard Kobe, Roy, Ginobili, Dirk, and David West.


I think Carter would be great this year, but he has some injury issues of his own. He is not as talented as Tmac and he isn't as good of a passer as tmac was either, but I think for the rest of this year, he could definitely help.

 

Baron is like the 3pt jumper. You live by Baron, you die by Baron. He's a chucker. Sure he's a talented chucker, but at the end of the day he's still a chucker. Tmac get a lot of hate for settling for jumpers in close games, well BD does that as well...not just in close games, but all the time. He basically won the Dallas series by draining one foot 3pter after 3 pter. Getting BD here will only increase inconsistency of our team-we'll end up winning more games against good teams but lose even more to scrubby teams. We might even end up like the Warriors with a talented cast but miss the playoffs completely

 

Exactly, who cares about Baron. LAC wanted to sign him and he wanted to opt out and decided there. We aren't getting him now or anytime soon. No point in talking about him.

 

i dunno if anyone has posted this, but fran is saying its a NO GO to comments asking about the vince for tmac trade. the comments are under his live blog link

 

Damn. That trade was sick Maybe Morey should ask about Nash once again?

 

Most of these guys have been hurt though, I think Baron has played like 12 games thus far and he's still averaging 17 and 7 I think...just checked played 12 games and he's averaging 17 and 8.

But the dude is like Boozer, if he doesn't want to play he drags out these injuries. He has shown that he can stay in shape and play a full season though.

I just don't think VC is anything close to being the answer. I look at his skillset and Artest can shoot and drive, plus play great man defense. Artest brings more to the table than VC, but i'm not knocking VC. I just think upgrading the PG spot should be our main priority, if it ain't Baron then why not Kirk?

 

Baron signed with LAC thinking he'd have Brand by his side plus GSW started to piss him off and he wanted to stick it to them.