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ESPN: Too much Kobe dooms Lakers

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Al Capone, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. YaoZow

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    Kobe and Gasol both sucked tonight and are those two are the reason why the Lakers have lost 4 games in a row.

    Kobe's getting worked by KMart and Shane Battier.

    Gasoft is getting beasted by Hill, Chuckwagon, Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol and Al Jefferson :grin:

    Suck it Lakers.
     
  2. goodbug

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    How many hardware Shaq had without Kobe or Wade? And how many MJ had without Pippen?

    So Shaq and MJ tried hard to be the man, FAIL.
    You tried hard to bull****, FAIL


     
  3. t_mac1

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    wow. bringing up MJ again. smh
     
  4. jlwee

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    Well, according to you, MJ's success was all because of Pippen and Shaq is good because Kobe make him better. So their failures is kind of expects based on your logic.
    And your logic claimed that Kobe make everyone around him better and Lebron sucks and made everyone around worst and he is on Wade's team. So, please tell me why is Kobe so good yet failed without a big man? Please tell me why and please don't tell me because his teammates suck!
     
  5. t_mac1

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    seems like pau has a hammy problem. the lakers will struggle if he struggles. he's so key to them offensively b/c if he doesn't score, he doesn't draw doubles and thus it makes everyone else go 1-on-1 (hence kobe can jack up more shots than usual as teams play him straight up the past few games).

    he's been terrible the past 3 games offensively and the lakers lost all.
     
  6. goodbug

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    You can make teammates better, but not better enough to win championship if they ain't that good to begin with, is that hard to understand?

    Kobe made Smush, a journeyman to b2b 10ppg seasons, a.k.a, an average starting PG and got 2yr/4M contract from Riley. Wade couldn't even make him a serviceable bench player and he's cut in 2 months. That's how Kobe made Smush better. But can Kobe make Smush as good as Deron and help him win a championship, absolutely no.

    I am always amazed by LeChokers fans' intelligence. They are acting like 3 years old and they ain't afraid to show it off again and again.





     
  7. goodbug

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    Yep, is it me or Rox announcers kept on saying you can't leave Kobe on isolation? You can be biased but at least don't straightly lie.

     
  8. t_mac1

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    1) varejao got a $7 mil/year contract b/c he played with lebron (his fg% dropped 5 points this year)
    2) mo will is shooting worse this year from 2s and 3s
    3) jamison is shooting 40% this year

    the whole cavs team scores 94ppg on 43.7% fg

    last year? the cavs scored 102ppg on 48.5%fg

    so i guess you're right. lebron just makes BAD teas MUCH MUCH better. who cares about making a scrub like smush better. without lebron this year, the cavs will win around 25-30 games less. who else can have that kind of impact?

    oh yea, Z left too. :eek: but oh, he left so he can play with lebron b/c he's stated lebron helps prolong his career.
     
  9. t_mac1

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    yea, rockets said that B/C WE DID LEAVE HIM IN ISOLATION for the most part of the game.

    and in the grizz game, he was guarded straight up even more so by xavier henry. ESPN daily dime did an article about that yesterday.

    again, no inside presence (as pau is sucking), kobe will get more isos
     
  10. jlwee

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    See, as expected kobe teammate was brought out!
    Championship? Without a quality big man, Kobe was just a 2nd round virgin like T-Mac. Championship? LOL!
     
  11. goodbug

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    varejao will get 7M elsewhere. Check Noah.
    Mo had his career year in Bucks, if he continue to get worse, it's just like Hughes LeBron took away all his confidence. Is that your point? You can apply that to jamison too.,
    And check Gibson's number without LeBron, that's major difference.

    You take away No.1 star from any team without any compensation, they're gonna be worse. But they didn't get as bad as you think. You better start saving for tipjar as Cavs may get 20 wins by all star break.

     
  12. goodbug

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    Is there any rule in NBA saying you have to win without a quality bigman? Grant and Rodman were quality bigman, Jabbar was a quality bigman. You may as well apply the 2nd round virgin on MJ and Magic. What can we expect from ignorant fans!



     
  13. t_mac1

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    take kobe away from the lakers without compensation, i guarantee a 48-50 win season. guarantee.

    you take durant from the thunder and they are 4-0. so if you take him away without compensation, they would be at worse a 38-42 win team.

    you take yao away and we don't miss a beat.

    so no, only lebron has that effect b/c he's that good.

    they just had the easiest part of the schedule and they went 7-10. they will win max 25-30 games this year.

    trade off for the bet as you have to dish out 50 for the MVP votes. we're both even and contribute to clutch

    i'm going to stop after this b/c you clearly don't know what you are talking about. kobe has won with ALL-STAR level big men who are elite offensive scorers (before they played with kobe)

    grant was never an all-star and never was a prolific scorer who you go to in 1-on-1 situations. same with rodman. MJ is considered the GOAT b/c he is a perimeter player who never had a legit all-star scoring big man and he still won championships in dominant fashion. that's why people had hopes that lebron could be near him one day b/c he did what he did w/ the cavs w/o a star big man who you can go to down the stretch.
     
  14. jlwee

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    MJ was in the second round playoffs with rookie Grant and Pippen. Magic won championships playing center while Jabbar injured. Kobe with a rookie Bynum, 1st round exit!

    No rule you have to win without a quality bigman. Fact is, without a quality big man, Kobe was a 2nd round virgin!
     
  15. goodbug

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    And that's just your masturbation, other than you'll be proven wrong soon on your Cavs evaluation, what to support your 48-50 win season claim? Your guarantee isn't worth a penny. It's not like you didn't predict Cavs would win last 2 championships easily before playoff, or Heat would dominate from get go. You predicted LeBron would averaged triple double or at least very close to it, in reality he's down in every category and leading the league in TO. PER was what you brought up to support why LeBron's the best player in the league in daily base last year, and now he's not even top 10 and you still believe he's the best regardless? BTW, the ballhogger Kobe is about 1.5 points more efficient than LeBron. How did that make LeBron better player, exactly?

    You can boast how LeBron made Cavs 30 games better. But Heat won 47 last year, they added Bosh, they'd be expected to win 55. And let's see how many games LeBron add here at the end of the season.

    I mean, you can have short memory but don't pretend you are any good in analysis or prediction.


     
  16. goodbug

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    Magic played only one game when Jabbar's injured. So Kobe never won a game in playoff without a quality bigman or what?

    Pippen and Grant were rookies, but they played in NCAA for years before draft. Bynum couldn't even start before Kwame, and you call that quality bigman?

    When Bynum was first mentioned as a quality bigman, Lakers ranked No.1 in the west.

     
  17. goodbug

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    Because the few times he's left on ISO, he scored easily. And the announcers were pointing out those as bad defensive plays. Why would they say "don't" if it's working well?

     
  18. jlwee

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    Won a game in playoffs games, so what?
    Fact is, Kobe was 2nd round playoffs virgin like T-Mac without a quality big man.
    Another fact is, since 2007, in 29 games that Kobe attempted more than 30shots in a game, the lakers were 9-21 in those games.
     
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  20. Al Capone

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    ^ You just discredited every single post you make for the rest of your clutchfans posting career with this single turd right here.

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