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[ESPN] The Dish on Point Guards

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by infinitidoug, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

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    Yao Ming was a career undrafted player until 2002..

    Lebron was a career high school player until he made it to the NBA in 2003..
     
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  2. t_mac1

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    Who were? I don't remember much but a few. Everyone wanted Rafer gone with the quickness, for a bag of chips even.
     
  3. ParaSolid

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    Brooks played pretty well in 2009-2010, taking more shots than Lowry and converting at a similar clip (they both hovered around 43%) during his career year. He got to the line around thrice a game. He dished out less assists. He shot 2% better on 3's. He consistently got to 19.6 points a game.

    He also consistently made it very easy for opposing point guards to have great games for their teams.

    Brooks may have brought a bit more in terms of scoring, but Lowry is a better player. There's a reason Morey paid him first and never urgently addressed Brooks' contract.

    Aaron Brooks was meant to be a very good complimentary PG to support our big 3 (Mac, Yao, Artest). He would have prospered in that role. He would have killed it in that role. Unfortunately, that role never materialized and he was shown the door after his MIP value boosting season.

    Glad that Morey made the right decision there.
     
  4. Outlier

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    Winner.
     
  5. Kojirou

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    Nope. I clearly remember this board was outraged giving up a starting PG for a third-string PG from a crap team like Memphis, and there was a lot of angry threads and the usual. There was a lot of rage..... until the first game Lowry played, where we saw he was actually pretty good.
     
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    Huge win...
     
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    To be fair to DaDa, I read over a thread from last July where he was arguing that AB was an 8 and Lowry a 6. AB was a borderline all-star, Lowry is a fringe starter. In the ocntext of the one thread, his argument fits with what he has written here - basically that Lowry had been a backup for a reason - he couldn't beat out AB the year before and was 50/50 with Conley.

    He also said Lowry would be out of here once Llul came over. Oops.
     
  8. Aleron

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    Because Lowry was no longer on rookie scale and was an RFA (who signed an offer from the Cavs) was the reason....
     
  9. ParaSolid

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    Sure, that's a big part of it. But he never actively negotiated with Brooks' camp, citing the org's policy of refraining from renegotiating contracts. Brooks never could get over the fact that he was, by his appraisal, underpaid, and his play reflected his attitude.

    If Morey thought Brooks indispensable as the starter, he would have addressed this promptly. He didn't and he made it quite clear that Brooks was one of his assets. Consequently, Brooks is putting up shots next to Steve Nash and Grant Hill.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    B/c he knows AB and his agent would want a big payday after one good season. A smart GM like Morey knows you don't pay a guy (or take that risk) after one good season b/c a lot of NBA have one good season and then fall back to Earth the net. I'm sure he wanted AB to prove that he's worth what him and his agent were asking for, and unfortunately AB choked under that pressure.

    Morey knows AB wasn't going to return by him giving AB the hard-line approach. He had to have a PG in line, and Lowry was the "cheaper" alternative. You and I know AB was not going to accept a $6 mil/yr contract after last season if there was a contract offer immediately after that season. If AB was able to duplicate the 09-10 season, I'm sure Morey would have given him a contract later on in the season.

    Look, now if Lowry exceeds our expectations like crazy (says he duplicates his great month for a whole year), Morey is a genius and Lowry is underpaid. If Lowry continues to do what he does all year last year, he's paid appropriately and not overpaid.


    If Lowry was in the same position as Brooks was contract-wise coming into this year, Morey would have done the same thing (assumes that the roles were reversed and Brooks was in Lowry's position).

    Again, a smart GM never ever overpays a player after one good season. Most of us know AB is a good player, nothing more and nothing less. But I'm sure Morey had a number from Brooks camp that will overpay him and Morey was not going to have that.
     
  11. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Well... to be fair. A LOT of people wanted to get rid of Rafer. Hell, a lot of us wanted him gone before the season even started. The reason most of us were pissed, was because we thought that a starting PG should fetch more than just a third string PG. Thankfully for all of us, DM knew better. Just like he knew better to hang on to AB, VSpan, T-Mac's corpse, and Ariza.
     
  12. chenjy9

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    This might still be possible. It all depends on how good Dragic, Llull, or Flynn turns out to be and whether or not we have to dump Lowry for that star we desperately need.
     
  13. sammy

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    Funny how DD brings up people overrating Lowry when that's exactly what he did with AB to the millionth power. He tried to make a case that AB was a top 10 PG. He isn't top 30 now. However, Lowry could end up being a top ten PG very soon.

    We are set at the PG position with Lowry and Dragic (Dragic > AB). We just need a center.
     
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  14. Carl Herrera

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    God damn it, you DDingleberries! You people need to be rational about players I don't like!

    DD
     
  15. megastahr

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    I am sorry but you sir are a moron....none of what you just said, makes any sense. Career backup... means CAREER... if you had said current back up then you may not be a complete r****d.

    Either you have an elementary grasp on the English language or you have an elementary grasp on basketball terminology...either way.....................................:rolleyes:
     
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  16. delishman

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    DDingleberries must be stopped! Before its too late!
     
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  17. delishman

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    (I'd personally take Dan Langhi over anyone in this thread)
     
  18. plutoblue11

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    We just need a explosive scoring small forward and a decent center to be a solid playoff team.
     
  19. Outlier

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    I was fooled, I thought this post really was by DumbDakota.
     
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  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I said the parallels were identical. Lets hope Kyle keeps getting better.

    DD
     

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