Man, with all these Vince Young fans threatening to leave their support for the Texans in the dust were they to pass on him, bigtexxx's "black Jesus" comment has never been more relevant.
That is something we shouldn't overlook- Everyone who is scared that Vince Young might mot be an NFL QB needs to admit that Carr hasn't proven anything at all either. Carr is still all about potential. Everyone who thinks VY is not the right choice can't say it is because D Carr has more potential or that D Carr has proven himself. Let the Truth be Told- Carr is still a potentially good QB, and he hasn't shown anything special in 4 seasons. Good looks, nice fellow, great arm, but he hasn't done anything to indicate he is the next Farve. If you evaluate this decision between Carr and Young- then base it on potential it is all there is realistically.
Except you know Carr has the tools to be a good NFL quarterback. You don't know if Young can hit a reciever more than 15 yards down the field that isn't wide ass open.
remember the days when we were contemplating over ferguson or bush, times have changed, someone in the latter part of the top 10 picks is gonna get a hell of a LT
Who are you talking about, Portis? He was a 2nd round pick, and was still on the board when the Texans selected Gaffney.
Did you watch Young play? He beat Ohio State with a 24 yd pass to Sweed that was thrown perfect where only his guy could get it. He's been passing like that all season. If Young has a knock it is whether he will be comfortable under center the majority of the time- if he is schemed that way in the NFL.
you're right..my bad. he wasn't a high first round pick...but he was the highest pick by denver of a RB among the very good ones they've had in that system.
Will you please back up your VY bashing with some credible info relating to your VY haterism.(see TEXAS-OHIO ST) stop regurgitating what you hear on ESPN and other BS media sources.
Actually these are my opinions, but if it were the opinion of "ESPN and other BS media sources", I think I would give their opinion more cred than yours.
My opinion on VY is that he hasn't proven he can hit a 10-12 yard out with a hard pass that'll get there before the DB breaks on it. That seems like something you hafta be able to hit...and be accurate with it...to be successful in the NFL. I think VY has improved miles and miles...has a solid deep ball, good touch on medium range passes, and he can hit a man running a slant. But again, not with zip. I think if New england is zoning him he'll be prone to some picks until he learns that. However, I think he can still be taught those things. I don't think he'll ever rush for a lot more than Carr did really. But he'll break more big runs, more TD runs, more first down runs.. I think his size will be the most fun when he's like Daunte in the pocket--in the sense that, you might have his legs, but he's not going down just yet. Or when he's running for a first...you better stick him hard and low or he's plowing through it. I like what rhester said...both Carr and VY are still "potential" guys. Carr hasn't proven it. But I think Carr has the tools necessary to be a successful QB. I've seen him have stretches and games..esp. with some protection (or a crappy D line against us). VY may well do the same, but I obviously haven't seen it yet in the NFL. Considering that I've at least seen Carr with all that (and considering any NFL QB takes at least a season to get acclimated)...I'd go for Bush. (I've seen Bush run between the tackles and run through some tackles. I think he doesn't get enough credit for some of that because they used their bigger back in White to do it most often. He may not be as good as a White, a Duckett, a Dayne, a Giantsrookieguy...but I think Bush is still better than ppl think btwn the tackles, so that knock on him shouldn't be as big.)
oh and yes, he may well need a different system than any other we've seen in the NFL to be very successful...I hope we have a coach (if we get VY) who's willing to do something like that
I'm fairly certain Vince has got a good arm, he just doesn't showcase it. He's got a very quick, compact release, although it is probably the lowest release point I've ever seen. I do think he'll have to put more pace on the ball at the next level, but I think it's just a matter of mechanics. Regarding Reggie Bush. A couple weeks ago, he was considered the highest rated prospect ever! Even better than Barry Sanders, which I personally found hard to believe. Now, everyone's talking about Bush not being able to run inside, not being a physical back, not capable of playing every down. Where was all this talk two weeks ago? I don't remember people making much of a big deal back then.
I have questions about anyone who puts that little scat back and Barry Sanders in the same league. Barry had legs like tree trunks, Reggie is built like a wideout.
Now Buysh is a little scat back? So the consensus #1 or 2 pick is a little scat back. That's ridiculous.
Ditto with me. Bush was 15-20 play player. Underfair to compare him to a guy his size but who had proven to be a workhorse back al la Sanders, Dorsett, Thomlinson, Faulk, etc. see page #3 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=105680&highlight=Young+bush&z=1 Just because a few media idiots were comparing him to a combination of Gale Sayers and Walter Payton, doesn't me those of us who watched him a lot thought that.
Bush also returned kicks and punts, something most RBs do not do. That is extra plays he took a pounding on that you are not counting. Second, look at Shaun Alexander's and Ladainian Tomlinson's carries this years. Almost all games were in the 15-25 carry range. Take Bush off kick and punt return duty and he can carry 5 more times per game.
for those of us who forgot how good bush really is and how many people he will put in the seats, here is a little refreshment http://thebestsportsblog.com/images/bigreggiestyle.wmv
