But at the expense of focusing on his individual skills is the t-mac you see in adelman's offense, not moving without the ball, no cutting, and just playing like he's out there by himself. every time he gets the ball he pauses and isos. he's literally playing by himself out there. i dont care if hes healthy. unless he's 2001 t-mac again (which is impossible) he's still giong to be the same old t-mac who can't cut or play without the ball.
Please stop pretending to know me. You have done this a few times now it is seriously creepy. I'm not joking.
What new individual focused skill did he add or improve in all the years he's been with the Rockets? I honestly can't think of one. When a player is at his peak where they stop adding significant moves, it would actually be more beneficial to add some running pick up games to their program. Maybe he wouldn't have been huffing and puffing late in the 4th quarter of a playoff game and later exclaiming that he was tired.
I agree he probably had core issues. I also agree that someone with such a fragile body to begin with (can we at least agree on that?) needs a more specialized work out. Where I think we disagree is that Wayne Hall is the cause for McGrady's injuries. Many of McGrady's injuries would be hard to tie to off-season training considering he always gets hurt during the season and not while working out. If the workouts were the sole cause he would be in pain all summer (while he was training) instead of being fine until someone bumps him or when his back goes crazy. I think, if anything, Hall's workouts were bad for McGrady because of what was NOT DONE during the workouts as opposed to what was done .
. t-mac said he didnt play pick up games during the offeason, but individual workouts to improve certain areas of his game. Isnt that basketball as well? Its more fun to run out there and just play 5 on 5, but having to do drills and go over areas of your game you may not feel comfortable with is another story.
Wow, and you just finished complaining to another guy because he assumed what you know and do on your own time, yet you sit here and talk as if you were there the whole time by mcgrady's side, monitoring him. All of that is speculation so stop acting like its the truth, because we dont know, we can only go by what they tell us. you can either believe it or not, but dont come up with your own fairy tale, and come on here or any place, lie and contradict yourself at the same time, because then it shows your ignorance.
Agreed. I'm a personal trainer and I've said the same thing numerous times. The way Wayne Hall had Tmac working out was like he belonged as a football coach in Varsity Blues. The guy seriously had no clue and yet somehow had the loyalty of Tmac. Ask anybody who is a very educated personal trainer and we'd all say the same thing: Wayne Hall is an idiot.
BBBB...BINGO to be fair to Dave, he is not the only one guilty of it. well over 50% of the hatred leveled at various players in this forum have little basis in reality and a whole lot of basis in supposition and interpretation....the rest of it comes from mcgrady not keeping his yap shut
Every year in baseball there are like 5-10 players who go on and on about how they've lost weight this offseason and improved their core, etc. Normally it turns out that maybe 1 of them is any better and the others go through their same slumps or injuries that they normally go through.
the context of this discussion is his individual training in relation to his own game, not his adaptability to the team. you are probably right. I don't think Wayne Hall is the sole cause, but like you said, because Tracy's body is so weak and oddly shaped to begin with, that improper training only served to greatly exacerbate the issue. I'm not claiming that he would have been fine all these years were it not for Wayne Hall - I'm saying that Wayne Hall likely made matters much worse. As far as Tracy getting hurt during the season and not while working out, I think this premise actually reinforces my argument. His body is so weak and screwed up from the improper training that those nagging injuries rear their head during the demands of the 82 game season. Consider: if you or I took such little regard for proper form or orientation during a normal strength-training, mass-building work-out, we would probably just not get a good night's sleep but be over it with time because we aren't placing continued demands on the body. On the other hand, this is a professional athlete being asked to perform quick explosion movements on a regular basis after improper training. It only makes sense that those aches will manifest themselves later when the demands of the actual athletic movements come into play.
you cant blame tmac completely for slacking on rehab...i've had issues with muscle imbalance, and when you are out of whack like that just simple jogging is harder for you than it should be. You can be giving it 100% and perform like if it was much less. Your body is working harder and yet doing less. I wouldnt be surprised if this has affected tmac for his whole career, the main cause of it would be his scoliosis...wayne hall can probably get the avrage person in good shape, but he's not experienced or educated enough to deal with someone with scoliosis, which was the problem. also, improper posture, which is often the result of a muscle imbalance and scoliosis, can shift your weight and you wont look as thin as you really are. I realize tmac has some blame to take, but i dont think some fans realize how much a muscle imbalance as great as this can take away from his game and performance. As long as he sticks with Grover he's going to be killing it next year...
just to clarify, i'm still highly skeptical whether he will return to form and am taking a wait-and-see approach. these offseason raves about new training are pretty standard. the underlying cause here is tracy's scoliosis and body shape. there isn't anything that could have been done by anyone most likely to avoid that. my only point is that wayne hall exacerbated the issue and made things much worse. its just the same as saying there's nothing anyone could have done about the fact that yao is 7'6 and 300 lbs. and that is the main source of his problems, but steps could have probably been taken to mitigate the deterioration.
when you work out, the movements are lot more conscious...you think about the movement you are doing at the time, especially if a lot of it is isolated movement....although it would still be likely for him to get injured, its actually more likely for him to get injured on the court...where the movements are quick and somewhat unconscious since its all automatic at that point...he's not thinking about the movement step by step, and thats where an imbalance will cause the most damage... like i mentioned earlier, i have imbalances as well, im pretty sure i developed functional scoliosis as well, due to an old injury, and i always work out, i do great in my workouts, never pulled anything or hurt anything...yet i dislocated an ankle, badly sprained the other, and nearly tore my knee up...all due to my imbalance, all away from the gym..
You're an idiot. We know McGrady has not been much a professional during his career based on his appearance, multiple (credible) reports and even things he has said. Are you that stupid to not know the difference between someone who claims to know me in real life vs. me making statements based on mountains of evidence?
For the most part we are in agreement. My main beef is with people on here claiming that Wayne Hall was the problem. I don't agree although I think he certainly did not help the problem from what I have read/heard about Tmac's training with him. Regarding poor form not being an issue to an average lifter, I disagree completely. Squat with poor form and then tell me with a straight face that all it did was cause you to have a bad night's sleep that night. If that's all it causes you then I want to buy the supplements you're on. The problem in this thread is more excuses for a guy who is KNOWN for slacking and whining. For some reason the fanboys are out today and after me for making statements based on media reports (years of them), Tmac's horrible appearance at times and his own words. Yeah, I imagined that he came into camp fat last season or that he missed games a few years back for a "personal reason" that he would not discuss (but he was fine for the All Star game) or that he missed games under JVG when he wasn't even injured but for precautionary reasons...on and on and on.
I didn't imagine his weight gain nor did I imagine him choosing not to play for his secret, personal reason several years back. I didn't imagine that he chose to have surgery right before the trade deadline and failed to notify the team. I could go on all day with facts and credible reports about things the guy has pulled during his career.
wayne is bad, but its not the kinda deal where you can blame him for tmacs fragility. wayne is paid by tmac, for whatever tmac wants to do. if tmac doesnt wanna do it, or do it right, then who is wayne to make him? he's not gonna piss off his meal ticket. grover is different because he has the kinda clout to make tmac respect him.
lets see here dave, speculation again, slack on rehab, stop saying that you have no idea what he was doing during his rehab last season, what because the pain didnt go away, does that mean he slacked? another issue, 30 llbs of fat he gained? are you serious? when has he ever came in for the start of a season 30 llbs over, or even fat to begin with?
