Your statement is incorrect. Because of the position he plays and where he hits in the lineup, his defensive contributions far outweigh the significance of his offensive production. If David Ortiz were to be playing in the National League at first base, would you say that half of his job is to field and half of his job is to hit? He's very good at one, but an abysmal failure at the other. Would that make him a "marginally decent player"? Nope, not at all. He'd still be a superstar because defense at first base is non-critical.
i guess that's putting it nicely by saying "his offense not being what we want it to be". also, greene would be much more than a bit of an upgrade at the plate. i don't know if you have actually looked at his numbers but he is pretty good outside of PETCO. now i hate "projecting" numbers but we are talking about a player who had a chance to hit 20 hrs and have 85 rbis last year while having PETCO as a home stadium. Greene's career split stats us getting greene would be amazing but it is never going to happen.
You're part of a group I like to call the "Most Offensively r****ded Opinionated Negativists", (let's call them MORONs for short!) It's hilarious how much you think you know, in relation to how much you actually know. Do you comprehend the defensive importance of having a solid fielding shortstop? Do you comprehend the fact that a #8 hitter need not be a solid producer? You say that the difference between the top rated fielder and the 15th rated fielder is "infinitesimal", which is defined as the mathematical inverse of infinity. Any proof to your claim that there is pretty much no difference between Everett and a piss poor shortstop like Jeter? Because there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. The MO of you MORONs is to make wild claims with no supporting evidence. Then you decry the importance of statistical evidence, which accomplishes two things. You seek to invalidate the factual evidence supporting the ideas that you disagree with, while at the same time remove the need to support your own ideas with any objective evidence because reliance on statistics lacks "common sense". Weak, tired, enough. Probably the most irritating thing is this fascination you have with your intelligence, and the relative intelligence of others on this board. Are you in middle school, high school, college, have a job? What did you scoreon the SATs, MCAT, LSAT, etc.? We'd like to know just how smart you are, so that we can respect you accordingly. I'm guessing you're about as intelligent as the average kid in your 8th grade class, which isn't bad.
Of MLB shortstops with 250+ ABs, Adam Everett ranks.... - 23rd in AVG - 27th in SLG - 25th in Hits - 25th in HRs - 22nd in OBP - 16th in RBIs - 27th in Runs - 27th in Total Bases - 17th in BBs - 22nd in SO (lower rank is better) And keep in mind, I didn't include Julio Lugo, who has 248 ABs (2 off my arbitrary cut-off) and would bump Everett down a rank in pretty much every category. The numbers don't lie: Everett flat-out sucks with the bat. However, Everett's .990 fielding percentage is #2 overall for everyday shortstops (behind Omar Vizquel's .992), and his 4 errors puts him at #3 in the league for everyday shortstops behind Vizquel (3) and Alex Gonzalez (3). Also, Everett is #2 in the league in DPs turned with 70 (behind Tejada's 72). So, honestly, both camps have a case to be made for/against Everett. He's the 2nd-best defensive shortstop in the league (behind Vizquel) with just about the worst offensive numbers among regular shortstops. It's just that extreme, folks. Too bad Everett can't hit like Vizquel, who's hitting .296...
i am seriously trying to find the stats that back up AE being a dominant defensive shortstop. aren't the typical metrics range factor and zone rating? further how do you determine how many runs a year he saves v. how many he loses at the plate?
STATS inc did a new study. The Fielding Bible details the important stuff. Everett ranks as tops in the majors the last three years, Michael Young ranked dead last in 2005. They also did a direct comparison between Everett and Jeter, to prove that Gold Gloves are a bs award. Jeter is horrendous at everything except fly balls.
NO NO NO NO !!!!! you remind me of this guy who called in 790 and tried to tell everyone why everett is more important to the team than berkman. maybe you are him. listen, sure everett is a great DEFENSIVE shortstop, but listen the guy is more of a liability than ray ordonez. we dont need this spectacular defensive shortstop to win. in fact we arent going anywhere with everett. if you go into a game you dont want to bottom of your lineup to be a solid 3 outs everytime through the lineup. guess what, that's what it is now. the way that the astros fans turned on ensberg is completely rediculous. the guy has been playing with a shoulder injury since april. the part where u should be bashing ensberg is the fact that he didnt tell the organization and go on the dl sooner. he is a major asset to our team and it would be rediculous to trade him unless we get the pieces to our puzzle in return. such as: ensberg and tavares for green, linebrink, and barfield. that is about the only way that we let ensberg go the reports are that the marlins want tavares and maybe we can get some young pitching out of the deal. we need it. our lineup would be awesome like this: c- ausmus 1b- lamb 2b- burke ss- everett 3b- ensberg rf- berkman cf- wilson lf- huff
gonna ignore all your insults because everybody on this board is well aware what a boob you are and how i've already owned you over and over again, but just answer this, you sad, sad, sad being: HOW THE **** CAN A TEAM WITH A PATHETIC DEFENSIVE SS LIKE DEREK JETER WIN 4 WORLD SERIES?????????????????????????????? O W N E D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let me explain something to you burzmali. you have never come up with a thought on your own. NEVER. all you do is quote somebody else's analysis. see if you can comprehend this: i am willing to grant you the fact that Adam Everett is far and away the greatest defensive SS in MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL HISTORY (he isn't, but for arguments sake, to put things into perspective for somebody with the cognitive capacity of my ballsac, we will say he is). ok? now....in all the millions of references to your beloved statisticians, you seem to have passed over the most pertinent analysis, and only pertinent analysis, that could be compiled: does having the greatest defensive ss in the league translate into winning. here's where the common sense kicks in, my brainless little buddy. i don't have to see any statistician's analysis to know that it matters not one damn bit. simply run down the list of world series winners, and i'm sure you'd say they are all inferior ss's to adam everett. it's really that simple! here's something else to ponder: your idol, billy beane, who you worship the ground he walks on, and is the reason for all your obsessive referencing of statisticians, has, over the past 10 years, started 2 "awful" (as you would term them) defensive ss's in bobby crosby (who his rookie year showed signs of becoming a great offensive producer), and miguel tejada, who is pure offense. doesn't that boggle your mind? the man you deify, the man whose moves and words you treat as gospel, isn't interested one lousy bit in acquiring a premiere defensive ss??? how is that possible? buddy, every single point i make puts you to shame. it is obvious that you have no original thought and opinions, just pick and choose what others say, and adopt their thoughts as your own. ya can't see the forest for the trees, kid. accept that. accept that i'm smarter than you, accept that i'm always right, and accept that you understand little to nothing about the game of baseball. good night.
ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?!?! Basically this comes down to Preston Wilson v. Craig Biggio. What is your fascination with Preston Wilson? Is it that he strikes out a TON and walks NONE? Lets let the #s do the talking.... P. Wilson .281 avg, 8 hrs, .320 obp , .418 slg, 84 ks, 19 walks C. Biggio .271 avg, 8 hrs, .334 obp, .424 slg, 45 ks, 27 walks The ONLY thing Wilson does better is hit for a higher average, and batting average IMO is an over-rated stat. Especially when you need guys on this team to get on base for the Berkmans, Lambs, and Huffs on this team. Biggio at a traditionally weak hitting position SLUGS better than our CORNER OUTFIELDER. It is CLEAR that Biggio is a way better option than Preson Wilson offensively. Defensively, Preston Wilson has been a poor defensive CF for his entire career and Burke in CF is a better option while Biggio still plays average to above average defense. Let us not forget how many Gold Gloves this guy has won over his career.
I think part of the problem is the 7-8-9 tandem of Assmus, Everett, and the pitcher spot. If those nonproducers are up in the bottom of the ninth, you might as well pack it up and go home. I can live with having Everett in the everyday lineup, but when Assmus is there as well, that's just too many holes in the order.
Back to the original topic... here's something from cnnsi today: It's no surprise that the Padres are drawing strong interest for stellar setup man Scott Linebrink. He could be dealt to the Braves for third baseman Wilson Betemit, although three-way scenarios are still being discussed. Link Wonder if that's someone the Astros are targetting and if the Pads would be willing to talk about a trade for Ensberg.
is everyone forgetting that we went to the world series last season? that we were a game away from the world series the year before? where am i?? yeah..you can't win with adam everett in the lineup...despite the fact it's been done, you just can't do it.
are you forgetting the fact that we were a game away from the world series the year before with Jose Vizcaino as our SS? i guess you are you silly goose! we went to the world series last year in spite of adam everett, and because of our pitching. we got swept in the world series because of our inability to score runs. that is the area of our team which needs improvement.
haha my fascination with wilson. humm... other than i sit outside his window at nights? well how about over the past month he has been a better hitter. also, his natural position is center field. (that's the position that he played his entire mlb career) biggio is hitting .233 with 2 hr and 8 rbi in the last month wilson is hitting .293 with 2 hr and 13 rbi in the last month sorry, but wilson is just hitting better my fascination would be with the awesome pickup of huff. how great is that?!?!?!
yes we went to the world series last season. you are so right. the problem is that we are getting in this groove as astros fans, and we assume that our team is going to struggle until they somehow get to the playoffs, and than they find a way to win. not to fall into the category of "what have you done for me now", but they arent' the same team. our hitting is way below where it was last season. unless our bats come around, it isnt going to happen again. oh and did u forget that we were swept in the world series?
