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[ESPN rumor] Ensberg to the Padres?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by desihooper, Jul 15, 2006.

  1. Hottoddie

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    Our bullpen needs a major overhaul. I'd love to get some solid middle relief pitching & dump some of the slugs we have in there now. Linebrink would be a good start.

    If, as The Cat says, Kotteras is that good, then I'd be ecstatic to see us pick him up. I haven't exactly been impressed with Purpura's moves up until the Huff acquisition. Maybe, he's about to turn the corner & become the GM that Hunsicker was.

    SEAN THOMPSON

    San Diego has another young pitcher on their AA farm team (Mobile) by the name of Sean Thompson. In 18 starts, he's pitched 105 innings, given up 99 hits, only 26 BB's & 86 K's, with an ERA of 3.43. Statistically speaking, at 23 years of age, he looks promising.

    LUIS CRUZ

    They also have a young (22 y/o) SS by the name of Luis Cruz. He's got an OPS of .773, but he does commit a lot of errors (17 in 86 games).
     
  2. msn

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    What a stupid post. Anyone that disagrees with you is "blind". I guess that includes the Astros management, and every manager that ever started Ozzie Smith for the first decade of his career, too.

    Now excuse me, I have to get my white cane and piss this drivel I just read into the toilet.

    For the record before I go, Everett *is* overrated. BUT--no way I'd take him over Khalil Greene. Adam's the best option the Astros have on *their* roster for SS, but I'd do back flips if they were to add Greene (not that I see that happening).
     
  3. msn

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    Speaking of stupid, I mistyped that, meant to say that is underrated. That because most folks make offense a god and forget that you also have get 27 guys out to win a game.
     
  4. gwayneco

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    You seem to have forgotten that you have 27 outs to score more runs than the other team. Outs are precious and shouldn't be wasted so non-chalantly.
     
  5. msn

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    Not so. I used the word "also". The difference in value people place on defense has been well-covered (ad nauseum) here.
     
  6. rocketfat

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    alright, BH....what do you think this team needs more: the best defensive ss in the history of baseball, or somebody who knows how to hit?
     
  7. gwayneco

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    People who defend Everett act like the choice is between the best defensive SS in baseball history and a bronze statue of Honus Wagner. Sorry, only pitchers get a pass when it comes to hitting. Everyone needs to produce.
     
  8. robbie380

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    jesus guys...do we have to take this to d&d? I open this thread expecting to see talk on ensberg and 3 of 4 posts are about our craptastic shortstop.
     
  9. OldManBernie

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    Craptastic shortstop, eh? Obviously, you don't like Everett either. So... why do you hate him? :D
     
  10. lpbman

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    bonus points to all who use the word "craptastic"
     
  11. msn

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    Your ad hominem only weakens your already poor argument.

    No, people who whine constantly that the lineup doesn't have .280+ hitters at every spot exaggerate the position of those who understand Everett's value.

    I'd be more inclined to listen to this b****ing if major league franchises agreed, but it appears they don't.
     
  12. gwayneco

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    Half of Everett's job is to catch the ball and the other half is to hit it. He's very good at one, but an abysmal failure at the other. That's makes him, at best, a marginally decent player.
     
  13. msn

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    You act like half of his job is to be Lance Berkman. He's the 8 hitter, for cryin' out loud.
     
  14. msn

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    An example, here's Dierker mentioning both sides of the argument:

    Yet, he'd take his chances with the weaker offense.
     
  15. LongTimeFan

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    And get fired again! :p
     
  16. gwayneco

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    Half of every non-pitchers job is to hit. You could make an exception with catchers since their job involves playing defense on every pitch as well as calling the game, but no one else gets that excuse.
     
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    being the 8 hitter doesn't give an excuse to be nearly worthless on offense. yes we all know everett is a fine defensive player but he is a big MINUS on offense. isn't he the worst offensive shortstop in baseball? i really cannot think of a worse hitter. i guess if neifi perez is playing SS then he is worse.
     
  18. msn

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    Agreed about his offense not being what we want it to be--that's why I'd be thrilled to have Greene, who's not much of a downgrade on the field and is a bit of an upgrade with the bat. But that doesn't make Everett "worthless" or even "marginal". Ask any pitcher--don't ask an armchair GM or a talking head; ask someone who actually plays the game.
     
  19. geeimsobored

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    I believe a couple of years ago Bill Mueller won the batting title in the American League, while batting 9th in the order.
     
  20. MadMax

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    and people on the other side of the argument act as if the choice is between a .280 hitter and a guy who can't hit at all.
     

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