[ESPN rumor] Ensberg to the Padres?

Just as good as Everett's.

 

I would not trade Ensberg unless we got a Greene or Peavy in return. It is unlikely the Padres would let either of them go, but for Ensberg, I would want one of those two.

Which is why its unlikely to happen.

 

Come on Max, there has to be a point where the defense (as good as it is)does not compensate for the lack of any kind of offense. Everett may be at the top the list for SS defensively, but he is he is also at the bottom of the list for SS in OPS. I think something that Ric said that rings true is that having Ausmus and Everett in the 7th and 8th holes virtually gives the Astros 3 pitchers at the bottom of the line-up.

Those two, more often then not, completely kill any type of momentum the Stros are able to string together. It may be more easily afforded if the NL had the DH (which is a whole other topic in itself), but for the time being the Stros are playing 5 or 6 on 7 or 8. Sample last nights game where those two actually produced and look at the results.

Here is a quote from Garner after the 12-0 thrashing:

"That sure was fun, it hasn't happened very much," manager Phil Garner said. "Most of the time it's the top six of the batting order that does the damage. When they (Ausmus and Everett) can pitch in and get runs for us it gets us over the hump."

You say that Everett is "vastly underrated". I ask, in terms of what? As a complete player it seems to me that you are vastly "overrating" him.

 

god bless you, Joe Joe. the voice of reason. i affectionately refer to those idiots as "blinded homers"(let's call them BH's for short!).

it's hilarious how little people understand the game. they read one guy's statistical analysis last season that spins everett's numbers so he's "far and away the best defensive ss in baseball", so now they are all over his jock, and say he's irreplacable. they don't understand that this is major league baseball. don't get me wrong, everett is a great defensive player, but the dropoff in abilities between him, and say, the "15th best defensive ss in the game" is so infinitesimal, and has such little impact on games won or lost, that it aint even funny. people who treat stats as gospel typically have very little common sense, from what i've observed. one of my favorite quotes came from the boards saddest BH, burzmali. he said that defensively, Everett and Vizquel "aren't even close". LOLOLOLOLOL.

the BH's on here have it beaten into their small brains that he is basically the equivilent of a shut-down corner in the nfl. that he's a game-changer (well, he is...but that's because of his ineptitude at the plate). that he saves runs that no other ss in the history of baseball would have saved, which leads to wins. all this is so far from true it's hilarious, and it makes me thank my parents for my upbringing and my brains whenever i read posters and their comments about "people who understand baseball know how valuable everett is to this team". the BH's think it is so damn chic to say that.

everett is entirely and easily replacable, people. the 8 less errors and the 10 extra balls he gets to by season's end really ain't as important as you want it to be over a 162 game season. there are 29 other starting SS's around the league, and i'm sure tons of backups, who are plenty capable of fielding a baseball as well, every last one of whom can swing a wooden bat better than everett.

like i said in another thread, over 100 world series have been one, MIRACULOUSLY all with a SS worse than everett defensively! go figure!

all that said, i dont know why this is on this thread. and there is no way that they would give us khalil greene. that leaves them with no ss. but talent-wise, greene vs. everett is a no-brainer.

 

While I agree his offense isn't worth much, Everett is batting 0.300 with a 0.350 OBP since June 1st when he got the shots for his back... That's a higher OBP than Wilson or Biggio, for example. He certainly is hitting for no power, but he's not exactly an automatic out.

 

No way should we trade Ensberg. Our lineup is lacking enough as it is, even with the addition of Huff. Let Ensberg get healthy and then re-evaluate him. If he gets back to his old self we could have a 3/4/5 of Berkman, Huff, and Ensberg all hitting well.

 

lol Major. Praise Biggio yesterday for his July-current performance, bash him today for his June-current performance. the beauty of skewing statistics to support your arguments.

 

I think Biggio is mediocre - but you were the one complaining about his recent performance. And for a 2B, he's not really either an asset or a detrmient at this point. For July, he's been fantastic, so it seems like an odd time to complain about him.

Similarly, Everett has been fine for a while now - you can look at his July or June & July numbers - they are about the same. In terms of offense, the problem for the last month has been Ensberg, Lane, and Ausmus moreso than either Biggio or Everett. Ensberg has been removed, Lane is gone, and Ausmus in the 8 spot isn't really all that big a deal given the benefits to the pitching.

I would expect the offense to improve overall in the coming weeks if Burke and Lamb continue to get time in the field.

 

Where did I bash Biggio, by the way?

 

Unless you guys are willing to sit Preston (and y'all seemed intolerant of that idea when I suggested it a few days ago), there isn't room for Ensberg, Berkman and Huff. That's assuming there's no way Lamb is benched, and I can't imagine that given that he's a lefty and how he's currently hitting.

Between Huff, Ensberg, Lamb and Wilson... as good as they might play... you can only start three of them on a regular basis. I'd love it if they would trade Lamb or Wilson instead of Morgan, but I can see why they're entertaining the thought of a trade in this particular situation.

I'll say it again: I don't want to trade Morgan. But if we do, Scott Linebrink is a stud. I really question those of you saying the Padres have nothing we need... this bullpen has been a liability since Day 1 and you're looking at one of the better relievers in the league. We could definitely use him. Now, I don't think it's worth giving up a 30+ HR third baseman for any reliever. But, say, if you could get the Padres to package Linebrink and a catching prospect like George Kotteras (this guy is in AAA and is supposed to be fantastic, lefty as well), it's worth thinking about.

 

you used his july-now success in support of your argument yesterday, and his june-now deficiency in support of your argument today.

 

i know nothing about Kotteras, but that sounds like an unbelievable trade, and i'd do it in a heartbeat, and i think it would even be a decent trade if we KNEW ensberg would round back into form. huff isn't going to be a beltran case...he'd probably sign an extension right now if we offered it.

 

Scouts compare Kotteras to Brad Ausmus behind the plate paired with the bat of Jorge Posada. He's a stud.

That said, you're right... I'm reaching. That would be stacked in our favor. But, it's worth exploring... there were a couple of articles last week saying the Padres were considering moving Kotteras to help their 3B situation. We'd probably have to add something more from our end to make it reasonable, but you never know... look at the Reds/Nationals trade last week. Sometimes GMs do silly things when they're desperate, and maybe that's what the Padres are. Either way, when healthy Ensberg is one of the top five or so 3B in the league with great power and OBP... if we deal him, we need to get value for that.

 

Except I never said it was a deficiency - I just said that Everett was better than him in OBP over that time. That doesn't mean Biggio is bad - just that Everett has been pretty good.

 

so far it's jus ta projection by Buster.. nothing with a real rumor yet

 

I hope they get more than Linebrink for Ensberg.

 

I certainly could tolerate sitting Preston if Ensberg toggles the suck switch to off. I'm a big fan of Ensberg, because when he's on he provides patience with good contact and power. Right now, Ensberg's bat is an enigma trapped inside a Chinese finger puzzle.

 

I agree..Linebrink and Piazza ...

 

I agree, the only way the Padres will get rid of Khalil is if they are having a Marlins-like fire sale.