I don't know, maybe because he makes them look good by sucking so much? Anyway I'm sure they'll live when somebody replaces him at the end of the bench. Not sure how reliable or how valuable this supposed sentiment is even if it was true - Yao expressed remorse when Mooche Norris was traded for the first time - really who cares?
he's the only one who called himself the T-Mac of Greece. I've said repeatedly that he has to improve, and work hard to do it...and would trade him for a high 2nd round pick because it's certainly not clear to me he will put in the work. I think he can be an NBA player if he does try for it, though. my only point is, that he has value from more than a salary dump perspective. apparently in the potential Dallas deal, Dallas would be giving up not only a 2nd round pick, but a trade exception to get him. which might make more sense if he had only 1 year left on the contract, but he has 2. so either Tracy and the Rockets management wants him back to play, or to trade him to a team that wants him. whatever the case, apparently there is some faction, at least, of the NBA that also thinks he can play. if the Rockets trade him to some team in exchange for a 2nd round pick and a horrible contract (someone just as currently useless as him on a logner deal), and the new team goes on to not play him at all, etc., then he'd clearly be useless... but so far, it doesn't look like that is what's happening.
Too bad you prefaced your novel with this telling statement. How anybody could watch the worst player on the team - by far - aside from Novak (both statsitcially and anectdotally this is true) and decide that he's the best guard on the roster is inexplicable other than a serial case of v-span love. My solution for you in the long run: become a mavericks fan. You know if, Spanoulis' name was William Stanton, and he was from an american university - nobody would give a sh-t about him - and if he were black he would be labeled an out of control streetballer. It's just that some people think it's 2001 still and everybody who steps out of euroleague is the next Ginobili.
1. Guards on the team I feel Spanoulis is already better than: Lucas Head Alston Snyder 2. Guards on the team I feel Spanoulis is more talented than: Lucas Head Alston Snyder James
Please kindly explain to me why the Dallas Mavericks, oh horrible evaluating team that they are, would trade a valuable Trade Exception and a second round pick in an apparently deep draft for a palyer with 2 guaranteed years left on a cotnract that is significantly higher than rookie scale...? A salary dump for one team is a salary acquisition for another.
The overwhelming weight of the available evidence indicates that your opinion is way off base. As a scientist you should know. Well he was buried by Van Gundy - a coach with a well-known penchant for streetballers and players with "low b-ball IQ"
The rockets gain is salary cap flexibilty, both throuth the exception, the loss of spanoulis and a low percentage draft pick w/a non guaranteed contract. Their loss is a crappy player (thus far) and 4m of salary obligations. I don't know what else you all it. The rockets are making a salary dump if it happens - but yes thank you for illustrating that dump for one is an incresase for another. Again my suggestion is to become a mavericks fan.
thanks for pointing out the obvious! I thought this was a discussion on V-Span's capabilities as an NBA player? so you have no answer to the question, then?
My answer is here but anyway you might be right about this not happening - the Mavs probably aren't dumb enough to do this deal.
How did it bite the organization in the ass when V-Span has yet to prove anything? You talk like V-Span is already an All-Star thats on his way to a hall of fame career and the Rockets just made the biggest mistake of their history. Please stop blaming JVG for everything. If Oberto can play less time in his rookie season than V-Span, and still have the desire to return to the NBA, I don't see why Me-Span can do the same. This is a unproven rookie we are talking about. Obviously, Oberto did not let little to no playing time in his ROOKIE season break him down like it did with Vassiliss. If "Kill Bill" wants to play drama queen over all this, let him do whatever he pleases. He should know that he is under contract and should honor it. If can't figure that it, cut him loose. We don't want players like that. Basically, it's not looking good for the V-Span Lovers, heres yet another article about the Summer League team and V-Span's future. Here is his chance to play against some NBA talent and he backs down.
You're link goes to a player who had only 1 guaranteed year left on a contract..v-span has two. maybe, for a team and owner like Dallas, they;d be willing to take on the extra cap hit and the double luxury tax hit in the hopes of being able to include in a larger package next offseason as part of a trade...though my guess is there are a bunch of NBA players that would fit that role for them, and are tradeable. I don't foresee the mavs trade happening I agree with this completely. Some of us seemingly V-Span lovers on here - at least myself - simply see that V-Span could be an NBA player if he wanted to. Most of his actions point to the likelihood that he doesn't want to. For me, at least, I'm not going to get mad at him, though, for taking that route...it's his life.
V-Span's second year remaining is a team option, so he has just this upcoming season left as far as guaranteed $$.
I guess I fall under the hater category because I think JL3 had a better year than Spanoulis, and played better than Spanoulis. I am not saying he is a better player than him, but he desserved more minutes to Spanoulis. I don't fall in love with potential, because Olokandi was suppose to be the next Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler called Rafer an all star caliber PG. Stromile Swift still falls under the category of the what if. I hope at the end of the season I will be saying that it is time for crow. But right now I find it hard to believe people will even label him above Snyder, Head, and Rafer are you kidding me? Based on what games last season you saw?
The context was Oberto was not promised playing time, and got more money. Spanoulis was told he would play by Dawson (this was stated at 20-25 minutes backing up both guard spots), that was said in the Chronicle before he was signed, although I do not know where the article is. Someone should have it or be able to find it, it stated Dawson and Lindsey were telling him he would get 20-25 minutes. Spanoulis also took LESS money to play in the NBA than what was offered by his team Pana, because they countered the Rockets offer by offering him an opt out of his then current deal then offering him a new contract at a higher salary than Houston offered. Oberto also told San Antonio he wanted to play there at that time, while Houston, by all reports went AFTER Spanoulis and convinced him to come to Houston. This is not even remotely in the ball park as a similar situation and it only shows this whole Spanoulis situation is a silly fiasco that the Chronicle can even make such a comparison, when it is not even a similar context. A much better analogy would be Bonzi Wells saying he only gave the Rockets 1/4 of the effort because they only gave him 1/4 of the pay, only in this case it is the Rockets that are Wells and Spanoulis that is the Rockets. The Rockets didn't give Spanoulis even the 1/4 though of what they told him. The argument that none of those promises, convincing Spanoulis to leave because he would get a great situation and him taking less money to do so is all fine because he "didn't earn playing time" emplies that 1. Lies don't matter at all and the Rockets management can treat any player however they want. 2. Dawson and Lindsey are completely useless and it's a plus they are gone because they said over and over Van Gundy was wrong and Spanoulis should have been at the very least the backup point guard. 3. San Antonio has terrible evaluation too because now they have Lindsey, why would he get such a job if even his coach is so superior to him in aspects of talent judgment? Meanwhile the whole time Spanoulis sat there and saw John Lucas over him on the playing chart. To then on top of it have fans say he "sucks" and his coach make fun of him on the T-Mac of Greece comment on radio, it basically says to me the man is extremely patient. Fans say he is whiny and a prima dona, well if I would have been treated like that someone, if not several people would have had a serious serious can of something. I would never let any employer treat me like that.
well...i clearly can't get any of my facts straight in this thread! I looked around and somehow missed it here which means Dallas would still lose the TE and have a partial cap and luxury tax hit for the year, but could trade him again after December 15th, right? so, in the end, V-Span may just now be a contract floating around with no value other than the fact that it's a contract about to end... i still believe, though it is only a personal opinion, that V-Span can play, but not without effort. my personal opinion is that the Rockets agree, and given the lack of effort, are seeing what they can get for him in a trade. getting rid of him without having to take any salary back, and getting a 2nd round pick at/near 34 seems makes sense from Rockets perspective.....though I can see Billy having a change of attitude post trade and improving as a member of the Mavericks - but playing time at PG with Terry/Harris ahead of him...doubtful.
The debate over if Billy has the talent to play in the NBA can go back and forth all offseason. The question if he has the heart and mentality to play in the NBA is a resounding NO. It sucks, I thought this guy had something to contribute, but this whole I'm taking my ball and going home thing shows me a guy who will fold like a lawn chair when the chips are down.
