ESPN: Rockets will not match Grizzlies offer sheet

You are freaking hilarious shya.

I was saying the same thing about collie.

 

You know what? I agree with you 100% Kayman! How can you ppl expect Pike to replace Posey? My answer: NEVER in a kazillion years!

After 4 years with the bully Grizzlies i bet the Rockets wouldn't even have enough money to take Posey bak. By that time...

the Rockets might lose both Yao and Francis and replacing them like replacing Pike with Posey. Good day folks!!!<<< sarcasm. We'll be joining da goodie goodie lottery again!

 

I agree!

 

shaylishya... read MacBeth's thread or read my post or u851662's again above...

http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61928

The goal this year is to make the playoffs... tiny steps forward... James Posey will not be key factor in us making the playoffs this year. For financial reasons signing him now could affect what we will be able to do in future offseasons... it could prevent us from getting someone who can really help us reach the goal of a championship. If we were more responsible with our signings in the past, the Elton Brand and Jermaine O'Neals of the world would have at least entered the realm of possibility this offseason... instead in our current financial state, ideas of getting them were simply pipe dreams.

 

Mo Taylor is a decent low post scorer and can hit an 18 foot jumpshot. period. He can't rebound, pass, defend, or bang in the paint. He is no part of an above average pf.

Let's take a look at who MoT might have started for last season.

Atl -SAR no way.
Boston- Antoine Walker. no
Chicago- Tyson Chandler. no, the Bulls would have gone with the youn guy.
Cleveland- Carlos Boozer. yes
Dallas- Dirk. no.
Denver- Juwan Howard. no.
Detroit- Cliff Robinson. toss up.
Golden State- Troy Murphy. no.
Houston- Eddie Griffin. no.
Indiana- Jermaine Oneal. no
LA Clipps- Elton Brand. no.
LA Lakers- Samaki and co. yes
Memphis- Pau Gasol. no
Miami- Brian Grant. no
Milwaukee- Anthony Mason. yes
Minnesota- KG. no
New Jersey- Kmart. no
New Orleans- PJ Brown. no
New York- Kurt Thomas. no
Orlando- Drew Gooden. no
Philly- KT and DC. no
Phoenix- Amare. no
Portland- Rasheed. no
Sacremento- CWebb. no
San Antonia- Duncan. no
Seattle- Reggie Evans. yes
Toronto - Jerome Williams. no
Utah- Karl Malone. no
Washington- Christian Laettner. yes.

I make that 5-6 teams that Mo could start for, and some of them are close calls.

This is just another example of someone only looking at the offensive end of the floor when evaluating players.

BTW, PJ Brown just sign for a little over 8 million, and MoT can't hold a candle to him.

Is that simple enough?

 

PJ Brown is not any better than Taylor. And you completely forgot that I mentioned when we signed said deal, Taylor was 24 years old, and coming off of a very good 2nd half of the season after he got comfortable in Houston. But still... You want me to list the teams he can start for? Try the current nuggets, jazz, wizards, rockets, raptors, sonics, sixers, cleveland, pistons, chicago and maybe milwaukee. He is also just as good as Gooden/Howard currently, and Murphy, and not any worse than PJ Brown and could probably start in memphis, as gasol is really a terrible defensive PF.
Phoenix is debatable as well because as a player right now he is ahead of stoudemire, especially when he was healthy. That is 15 debatable teams not counting the rockets, and that is after his injury. 16 if I add in Atlanta where SAR, a SF, is playing out of position.

You want to talk about offensive end of the floor, look no further than SAR? Mo is a better all around pf than him, in fact SAR is a SF miscast as a PF. I also think martin, brown and stoudemire are debatable, along with Gasol, who is strictly an offensive player. Garnett is also more of a SF but i'm not going there.

And I repeat, when they signed said contract it was worth it, and it still is today. You used a lot of subjectivity in your assessment of teams starting Taylor. Like the bulls because of Tyson Chandler. The point is he would be the best player currently at that position on their team.

Plus Mo Taylor's defense before his injury was highly underrated.

If you look at the fact he could start for 9 or 10 other NBA teams at PF, plus how much young big men get paid with any potential, and the typical max salary, there is no way he is really overpaid.

But of course if we use the injury which happened after he signed the deal, it makes it easy to rip CD for handing out the contract.

The fact is when it was given out, which is the only fair way of evaluating it, it was a good deal. Even with his injury he can still start for a handful of NBA teams today.

 

We did not get Pike to replace Posey!!
Pike is the shooter everyone said we wanted.

We will not match Grizz's offer for Posey because it is outrageous!
We already have Hawk who can immediately take Posey's place. (although I think we will start Rice)

If Hawk does not work out we can always get a defensive player like Posey for much much less.

 

what this basically means is piat. for kenny thomas - uh- don't need to tell you that we go the short end . . .

 

If Posey is not worth the MLE then who in the heck is worth the MLE? MLE is not star money. It is not big money.

Posey started for you guys right? If he were on the team next year he would start right? How many teams have starters making less than the MLE that are not on rookie deals. Posey is very cheap and I am very hopeful that you don't match him. Taking a starter from you only helps our chances toward the #8 seed or better.

This now gives us 10 legit, tradeable assets none making more than $7.5 million. We are deep and very young. We have athletes who can score.

PG JWill/Earl Watson/Brevin Knight/Troy Bell
SG Wesley Person/James Posey/Dahntay Jones
SF Mike Miller/Shane Battier/Mike Batiste
PF Pau Gasol/Stromille Swift/Ryan Humphrey
C Lorenzen Wright/Cezary Trybanski/Robert Archibald

Plus we have a deal in the works that should include Person and Knight for a starting quality center and bring us to 15 contracts from 16. It is not Sacremento(yet), but even Rocket fan's have to admit we are hella deep, young, and talented!

P.S. Mike D. will more than likely retire due to his injury and his contract will be coming off our cap.

 

some here are still under the impression that the offer was for 6mil a year.(like I was at first glance)
After having the terms more clearly explained..(MLE+raises)
and seeing who we still have...I do want them to match the offer.

Whether or not they do is still anyone's guess.

btw...who is the deal with?

 

Other than Gasol, there is no one on your team that has real talent or potential. I will place Denver above Memphis next year.

And you are paying $5 mil lux tax for this bunch? I can't help laughing. Let's see how deep your pocket is.

Memphis will be lucky to get one win from Rox next year.

 

I don't know, we tend to lose games to excruciatingly bad teams.

 

I've never been a Posey fan from the minute we traded for him so I'm not sad to see him go. I felt we got taken in the trade for KT but at the time it did seem that we needed to move KT - I just wish we could have gotten more. Pike is ok for a 2 but I'm not too sure how he'll do at the 3 where we have a pretty big hole (the Rice/Boki combo is not going to cut it) - but the summer is not over. I hope we move Rice and ? for a better 3 and/or 4 - then I'll be happy.

Memphisx - when's your next prediction? {still snickering}

 

What you say might be true if we didn't have Boki. While we still don't know how he will turn out, looks like the coaching staff still see the potential in him to be our future starting 3. Now if Posey wasn't a FA, we would certainly keep him in our starting lineup. But since the money is a bit high, it makes sense to let him go and gamble on Boki.

Remember Boki was picked 15, slightly higher than both Posey and KT. I know that doesn't mean he's better. But he certainly has the potential.

BTW, Posey might be worth the MLE, but no more. He is at best an average value at that price, certainly not "very cheap" as you claim.

 

In Memphis case, he is very expensive. Not only Memphis will have to pay the MLE, but also lux tax. Going from collecting lux tax money to paying it, the difference is very likely to be over $5 mil a year. So over all, Memphis is $10 mil out for signing Posey. I will say Posey is defenitly not worth this money. Jerry West made the offer with the original plan of pushing Rox into financial trouble. he got scr*wed big time once we decide not to match. Now they are trying to keep the straight face and deny it is a disaster. And simple-minded fans like memphisX fall for that.

 

After reading nonsense like this, I can see there is no point in any further replies.

 

God Bless You.

 

Uh, Pau Gasol is horrible defensively. Would you like to bother explaining if he isn't why are the grizzlies one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA? I tend to think Pau at this point is more of a tweener anyway.

He's a fine offensive player, but the reason there is room for debate on him and taylor because his defense is atrocious. Sure he has more upside, blah, blah, blah, but you know what the whole point is the starters right now, not 2 or 3 years down the road.

You talk about nonsense? You think Taylor is worse than Jerome Williams, and used subjective judgment on Tyson Chandler by saying Taylor is better but Chandler starts because he is young. Same with Thomas and Coleman in philly. Same even in houston, where you said Griffin would start in houston. No kidding eddie started, but if you need me to tell you Taylor isn't a better player at this point, well I don't know what to say.

Just because I said I think he could give Gasol a run for his money in memphis right now doesn't mean I think he has as bright of a long term future. Do I make myself clear......

 

At least I know about the most historic park in baseball history, and I can't say the same about you.

 

Btw, winkfan, please enlighten me why you said Chandler and Griffin should start over him, and don't use the youth experience line with me, as that's what Houston and Chicago did.

Just because they did it doesn't make them the better player in the present.

Also, explain Philly and esp Toronto, as to why you think Jerome Williams is better.