I hate this trade from Boston's perspective...I'm hoping it's just a rumor. What I really want to know.... How much better is Cuttino Mobley than Ricky Davis? Remember the Boston AM sports radio rumor about Mobley for Williams and Battie? And 90% of this board felt Boston was robbing us? Well if Davis isn't marked better than Mobley then BOS screwed CLE in the trade if we use the logic from the Mobley trade thread.
Why trade away Battie? Lafrentz is out for the season right?? I live in Mass and I do not think this really helps the Cs. However, miracles happen and I can only for the best.
Well, when he bounces the ball of his foot, it lands fortuitously with a person in scoring position well over five times per game over the last two seasons. So, ideally, that will continue in Boston. Seriously, he has assist numbers as good as Francis's over the last two seasons, and he's not a point guard.
Statistically speaking, Ricky is at the same level as Franchise as a passer. The problem is Ricky that isn't even a PG. The conclusion thus is that Ricky is a better passer than Steve. When can we trade away Steve for someone nice?
Thank you. Again, he's not a point guard. He averages as many assists as any single player on the Rockets' roster, yet people say he is a ball hog. That is simply a cliche circulated by the so-called experts. He may take poor shots at times, but he can hit the open man better than most shooting guards -- never mind small forwards. He has as many apg and a better assist/turnover ratio than Franchise. I keep shaking my head at all the crap he got for trying to get a 10th rebound in his would-be triple double game. Nobody ever asked: "what's a ballhog doing with a 10-assist game?" Answer: he may be obnoxious, but he knows how to play. He knows how to pass.
i agree B-Bob, he certainly likes the ball in hands but he can pass the question is can he play second fidle to Pierce, or did he not mind playing second to Lebron and was that just a him and Silas that didn't get along?????
His career assist avg. is 2.0. The reason he had more assists the last 2 years is because he was the main cog in the Cavs offense. The ball was in his hands 90% of the time. He will not have the ball that often as a Celtic. Pierce is the main man in Boston. When the offense doesn't run through him, he tends to jack it up everytime he touches it. Why do you think Pat Riley let him go from Miami? Riley would never let him go unless he was a ball hog.
Davis' assists average is down to 2 because of his lack of playing time in the first 4 years, in which he averaged about 14 mpg. When Daivis gets 35-40 mpg he responds with over 5 assists apg. Davis has already deferred to LBJ this year and I expect him do the same to Pierce. Davis is underrated, his presence will bolster Boston's offense and getting out of the Cavs might turn on a switch in him.
I'm not following you. If Mobley is better than the package Boston sent Cleveland, then it would follow that Boston screwed Cleveland over, if Davis was even better than Mobley. But, as you said, Davis isn't better than Mobley, so you can't draw any conclusions from the comparison. Besides that, talent-wise, I think it is clear that Cleveland gave up more than they got. But, if they made the trade for the sake of chemistry, than it is probably still worth it. Mobley isn't a chemistry problem for the Rox the way Cleveland felt Davis was a problem for them.
i agree, avis isn't a selfish player. he likes to pass. he has shown that he doesn't mind being second option, like he was with the cavs. he will play great along side pierce. the only thing that is bad about him is that he is a lockerroomcancer (atleast that is what i hear). i think both teams got better with this deal. Davis is much better then antoine (let me shoot trees al night) walker. so IMHO boston has got better players now. maybe it works for cleveland, because they needed a change. And i believe James wil be a superstar. he is just to good at his age.
JV - I didn't state that very well. Let me try again. Rumored trade has Mobley for Williams and Battie. 90% of CFans go ape and claim Mobley is worth way more than that and Boston is raping Houston. I personally never compared Davis and Mobley but... If Davis = Mobley, then CFans logic is Boston raped Cleveland. If Davis is way better then Mobley, the rape was incrementally more severe. So are the CLE fans claiming rape or are they glad to get rid of Davis? Why I made the comment was that even though Boston on the surface appeared to be getting the better in terms of value, I just didn't see how the trade benefitted the C's. I guess I once again obscured my point...trades are not always about value. They are often about many other things...chemistry, fit, contract size and length, need. Something I feel made it a little easier for Boston. Vin Baker is producing at Center but LaFrentz at PF is out for the year. Mihm will fill in for Raef. I don't think the Celtics would have done the deal without the inclusion of Mihm.
If anyone has a fantasy league where D. Wagner is still available, I would suggest scooping him up. He will start once he comes back in January.
Thought ya'all would like to see what the Boston Globe thought of the trade. They seem to feel Ainge has blown off the current season and report a lack of enthusiasm for the deal by Jim O'Brien: http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2003/12/16/deal_has_bad_exchange_rate/
Good article. Thanks Gater. Ainge did a nice job of shipping out Walker, but this trade for Davis makes no sense.
BobFinn* - You and I probably watch the C's way more than any the average CFans poster, but this trade is very confusing to me as well. My understanding was that Ainge got Auerbach's approval on the Walker trade. I'd like to know what Red thought about this one. There are only three intangibles that I see. 1) The high rating of Davis by that evaluator the Globe mentioned in the article (the "so-called brain doctor, Jonathan Niednagel"). 2) Like Mobley, Ricky Davis packs some relative "bang for the buck". Although lengthy, his contract never tops $6.8m. 3) Battie and Williams' knee problems are more severe than generally known. I'm not a huge Chris Mihm fan, but Donyell Marshall was a minor aspect of the Rose/Davis/J. Williams trade and is tearing it up for TOR. But that's another intangible in some already stretched logic. Bottomline - No one ever accused Ainge of lacking cahones.
GATER I was also wondering what Auerbach had to say about this trade. I can't see him giving Danny his approval. Also what kind of message is Ainge sending to Jim O'Brien? Is he telling him "You will coach the players that I want you to coach"? Not a good situation to be in if you're the coach with a GM like that.
nice article from Dr Jack on Davis http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ramsay_drjack&id=1687802
