ESPN Radio: Larry Brown will be hired as Pistons head coach on Monday

I tend to think the Rockets were not all that impressed by Brown. If they were, they would have jumped all over it.

I heard (in a couple of places on this board and others) that Dunleavy had an impressive interview and may be the #1 option all along. We all must be patient.

 

ALSO PEOPLE>..

Brown wanted 8 million a year........

I don't know.

 

If they make Dunleavy No 1. choice all along, I have to say, the owner is as stupid (nearly) as anybody in the world.

 

MacBeth -
I share the sentiments "damn"...

No argument, Brown was the best available. But several related questions can be extended...

1) How much better was/is Brown than the next closest competitor?

For 2003-04, 1 win, 2 wins, 10 wins? I trimmed my original post but found it curious that none of the teams Brown left went to the Finals close to his departure. Isn't this odd if he taught the players so well? Or if he was good at personnel moves?

Perhaps there is a small amount of overestimating his teaching abilites. Not saying he's not the best available...just asking...how much better?

2) What would have been the long-term impact of Brown who is 62 and (whose wife) wants to retire in LA?

Again, speculation on my part but...what if he never really wanted to be in Houston in the first place? If this is the case, we didn't lose anything and it was good to come out early on.

 

It was a possibility, but we don't know what happened. Some people are quick to blame Les and CD, but maybe they didn't make an offer, because Larry said his wife really didn't want to live in Houston, and while he liked the club, he wouldn't be able to commit unless nothing else came up. Thus the Rockets, wisely, kept interviewing, and now ahead of where they had been had they not and Brown still went elsewhere.

I'm not saying that is what happened, just that we don't know who's to blame, for Brown not coming here. It could be that no matter what the Rockets did or offered, Brown wasn't going to come here.

There is really no way of knowing. So please don't jump on CD and Les right now. I wanted Larry Brown too, and I'm sad it looks like he's not coming to Houston, but it's pointless to just start blindly tossing blame around.

 

WHAT THE HECK IS GOOD ABOUT LIVING IN DETROIT?!?

 

but Rockets never made offer........ I think this is just poor operation of hirin process.

 

Ask Larry Brown

 

Papapavilia?

 

and even then, he's 20 years old.

 

And how does any of us know that during the interview Brown was open and honest about his wifes' desire to retire in LA? Or that he wanted more control over personnel decisions than CD cared to give up? Or that Les likes dogs and Brown likes cats?

Why is it so hard to think that maybe Brown was not all that impressive during a face to face meeting? Why make an offer to someone who has only marginally impressed you?

 

If Brown REALLY is gone, anything short of Jackson or Adelman is a disappointment, if you ask me.

EVERY other coaching candidate has HUGE question marks. With JVG and Carlisle on wether they can develop an offense like we need; with Dunleavy, his history of losing control of teams and not developing young players, and with Silas he just doesn't impress me. He is not particulary good at one thing, and his overall work doesn't seem all that impressive to me.

Let's just hope we don't end up with Dunleavy, though with the way things are going, it looks like that one signing could eventually trigger all the moves, and if we are not quick enough...

If we can't and obviously that's a pipedream, get either Jackson or Adelman, of the remaining candidates I would take my luck with JVG or Carlisle, as their teams have shown great heart and always gave their best on the court.

 

We will have to see what Brown's deal is in Detroit, but it could also be that Brown wanted to keep some of his GM duties which wasn't going to happen in Houston. If that's the case then I wouldn't blame anyone for letting Brown slide. It could also be that Brown just prefers Detroit. It doesn't mean that it's something LEs or CD did.

 

And instead his wife wanted to live in Detroit?

Your argument is much more plausible if he picked the Clippers.

We don't know what happened but if he wasn't our #1 candidate, he shouldve been.

Detroit made it happen. We didn't.

That's the bottom line.

The problem now is that no coach will want less than a 5 year contract and these 5 years will be the most critical for the Rockets organization.

So who do you want handling this team at this juncture? A team in search of an identity needing discipline. We need a legend to right this ship.

Les and CD screwed up. Plain and Simple. Case closed.

 

I don't have the time to really go through and read what everyone has said, but based on what Dumars and Charsile are saying at the news confrence (on NBA TV,) there is no deal yet, it's all speculation.

He was saying how Houston, the Cavs, and Washington all have Brown on their list, and he was not sure whether or not they could actually get him.

All and all, I think it is really just ESPN trying to start a few rumors. I don't think Brown has said anything about the Pistons, and I doubt he would jump right on to a team that knocked him out of the playoffs.

 

1) IMO, the next closest was Rivers. Third might be Carlisle, Silas, Dunleavy...it's up in the air, IMO, because 3 of these 4 guys don't have the extended track record you can use to really eval a coach, as opposed to a situation. JVG is somewhat similar. That is why I feel that it isn't close; not that Brown is assured of being waaay better than, say, Carlisle for the nest 5 years, but because there's a lot more evidence to suggest that he will be. Some coahces bring the promise that they can be excellent, and are hired for that reason, but very few sustain that excellence for a long period. Other coaches, like say a Wilkens, are not ever in danger of being among the very best, but have a track record which assures you that, at the very least, you know what you are going to get, and can depend upon quality of not excellence. Brown has both.

To me there are maybe 2 or 3 coaches I even mention in the same breath as Brown, and one of the criteria for naming a coach in that level is that they have a demonstrated a sustained level of coaching, not just done well given one shot for a brief period of time. IMO, that kind of track record speaks volumes about what you can say about a coach for certain, and we an say for certain that Brwon is one of the best coaches in the game, a guy weho wins, a guy who teaches, a guy who knows offense and defense, etc. What other coach,who is available, can we say those things for certain about?

That, to me, is what clearly seprates Brown by a mile from the next guy; the fact that we know what we get, even if we don't know for sure that we are going to get it for 10 years. When a ocah who is both proven and excellent is available, you grab him. Some times it is that simple.

2) Impossible to say...but I feel it would have even superceded his immediate effect in the W-L column. The man teaches AND wins...one aspect would have helped while he was here, the other would have helped us long after he was gone.

 

ESPN is now reporting that Larry Brown has not agreed to accept the Detroit job, although substantive discussions have taken place. He will take the next 72 hours to decide between the Houston & Detroit jobs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0531/1561343.html

 

I know statistics don't tell the whole story, but statistics point to you being a moron.

 

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FB..

Nice post, but where do you get the impression that I am blaming anyone? I have said that it appears that Brown was only seriously considering Houston before Detroit became available, and that was based on another person's report. IF that is true, we may have been guilty of overthinking this when we should have been acting with assertion. But I do not know for certain that that report was accurate. I am certainly not jumping on anyone until we hear more. I really don't see where I threw blame at all, blind or otherwise.