You also can't forget that the Falcons were one of the best rushing teams in the league last year.The Texans offense has no running game to speak of until last week. The offense is still much improved if Lundy becomes a serviceable back from here on out I think Carr's stats will continue to improve. Once the defense becomes good then the teams will be a force but not until then. If you want to know how poor a job Casserly did all you have to do is look at his first day draft choices and you will see all the blown picks. That is why this team is where it is.
Yeah, maybe 30 seconds on NFL primetime. More of oh BTW, Texans accidentally won on sportscenter but if you keep winning, they cant discount you forever though they may want to. Northeastern blowhards! They're so full of themselves up there in Bristol. Bottom line, they will have to earn every ounce of respect they get.
Its always funny when my point gets proven not 5 days after the original argument (although if you know the history of Vick vs Carr you know it's been going on since the beginning of time) anyway. Carr couldn't lead a touchdown drive against one of the worst teams in the league and Sage Rosenfels did it 3 times. oh and btw. Vick 20/28 294 3 TD 0 INT
who are you going to hate when sage plays and we still lose? but yea, I agree with you , there were alot of qb's i would have rather have had for that first half but do you think that sages stats are padded bc it was garbage time? thats what all the Carr haters said when DC does well in the fourth, they always attribute it to garbage time, does that apply to every qb???
well, you also stated you'd rather have Matt Schaub at QB. Matt Schaub??? Vick did light it up today. But, did you see how Rothlesburger did? another guy you'd rather have. 4 INTs. and i'm not even posting this to defend Carr. i'm officially off his bandwagon. just thought that if you're gonna make a game-to-game comparison, it should be fair to point out when "your player" doesn't ahve a good game.
there are alot of factor that attribute to sage's performance today... 1. proving himself 2. oline defending better 3. a qb thats out of a so called comfort zone...change of pace i would like to see what sage can do for a whole game but i think he is a temporary fix and not the solution to our qb situation.
There is no way Roethlisberger should have been starting that game. If you throw 4 picks against the Raiders you are not right in the head.
Then you at least know the problem isn't Carr. The question is, why are so many people scared to find out?
If Carr had been playing all year like he played yesterday, then I'm all for trying out the career backup. But he hasn't. I'll be much more likely to change my mind if we see that Carr on Sunday, though.
Exactly, that's the same way I look at it. Sage looked good in yesterday's game, while Carr sucked it up. But as for the season, so far Carr hasn't been all that bad. Infact, he's been pretty good. He has had a few horrible games though. (this one and the Cowboys game).
But haven't we seen essentially the same thing from him for the past 4 years? Why would one more week make a difference. Two of his last three games have been terrible. It's not like he's never had good games before. In 2004, 4 of his first 7 games had a passer rating over 100, and then he went into the tank. The problem with Carr is that he has never shown consistency. He has talent - something is just missing, and while he's had good games here and there, he doesn't really show anything special. At best, he manages the game. For comparison in terms of stats, Carr's high point of the season is 230 yards passing in a game. Rosenfels threw for 180 in less than a half. Carr may have had good games in that he manages the offense, but you actually saw an explosive offense with Rosenfels. Perhaps it was just that the Titans were relaxing (though they also no longer had to worry about the run since the Texans had to throw), but the only way to find out is to try something else. I think the comparison to Steve Francis is perfect. His numbers look fine, but something just doesn't click right. You only can really see the difference when you replace him.
garbage time?? sage cut the lead significantly. he had the team score 21 points. the first TD you could argue was garbage time...but things started tighetning up quickly...get that onside kick, and the texans have a shot to win the game with about a minute or so left. it wasn't the same as the colts game. it was a team with 1 win fighting to hold on to their lead against the texans.
Carr is 26th in the league in yards per game, 26th in yards per attempt. His high QB rating is because he leads the league in completion % by throwing a bunch of short safe passes. He also leads the league in fumbles and is tied for the lead in fumbles lost. I don't think people are going to ever get excited by a #1 pick that is a game manager.
I am starting to lean this way as well. Come to think of it, I felt the exact same way about Francis. Likeable guy, worked his butt off, professional (more Carr, I guess, but still)...yet something just not working for whatever reason. Its not so much what he has to work with...there is just no consistency at all. Maybe a change could possibly help him. (Well, better than it did Francis hopefully)
This is a perfect argument as to why they shouldn't have picked up his extension, IMO. I'm not going to argue with anyone who says that we probably shouldn't have done that, but that's in the past. We have picked it up and he's done an average to above-average job this season. He's certainly not the main reason we're 2-5. Had our defense known how to actually play defense the first three games, we could be 4-3 right now. I don't believe that Carr's ever had the pieces around him to be a consistent QB. You put 90% of the QBs in the league in the same exact situation as Carr over the past 4+ seasons, I believe you come up with the same results. It's impossible to compare basketball to football. In football, a QB's success with regards to wins and losses is dependant not only on his performance, but the performance of ~50 other players, not 7 or 8. But if we want to compare situations in different sports, what happened yesterday is like a Wandy Rodriquez throwing a great game a night after Andy Pettitte was rocked by the same team. Or when an NBA team missing their best player beats a playoff contender. Of course, those aren't perfect analogies because I certainly don't think that Carr is the best player on the Texans, but you get my drift.
Maybe - but the comparisons you are giving are of proven players. Obviously you're not going to bench Pettitte since he has a 10 year history of success. Carr is more like Wandy (the lesser prospect) playing over Astacio, who showed flashes and had the better "stuff". For a football comparison, perhaps Carr is Bledsoe while Rosenfels is career backup, Tony Romo. Changing QB can provide the team with a spark. The problem here is that people have 4 years of seeing Carr being up-and-down but generally mediocre and now a half game of someone else (anyone else, really) being fantastic. I don't think it's surprising or unwarranted that fans want to see more of the latter to see if its for real. We mostly know what we have in Carr at this point. He's doing the same stuff this year as he has the past 4: inconsistent, flashes-of-being-good, game manager.
I disagree with this. Carr makes our offensive line look worse than it is because he has no pocket presence, he doesn't get rid of the ball fast enough, and he throws side arm'd and gets passes batted down and deflected. Because of all the 3 and outs caused by Carr, and because of all the turnovers(picks and fumbles), this puts our defense in a bad situation as well. The defense spends too much time on the field and the defense is put in unfavorable situations regarding field position.
