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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Khal80, Oct 24, 2006.

  1. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    You do know we are talking about football right? The american version - the NFL.
     
  2. Pocket Rockets

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    What is the nfl?
    I thought we were talking about basketball?
     
  3. ima_drummer2k

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    The Rockets will never make the playoffs with Yao Ming at center. Why? Because he sucked 2 years ago.
     
  4. Pocket Rockets

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    2003 & 2004 (that wasn't a good comparison considering theyve already made it with him)

    And the texans have been close how many times with carr?
     
  5. H-Town Info

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    yea, go tell that to terry bradshaw. u r losing credibility for me and others with each post.
     
  6. deepellumrocket

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    OK, let's do that.

    Year 1: Carr was a rookie quarterback playing on an expansion that won 4 games, right about what everybody expected. Carr's stats for the season: 52.5% Completions, 2592 Yds passing, 9 TD passes, 15 Ints.

    Year 2: Still only a second year franchise, the team wins 5 games. Carr misses several games due to injury. 56.6%, 2013, 9, 13.

    Year 3: In its third year, the team goes into the final game of the season with the chance to finish at .500. Loss to Cleveland ends a 7-win season. 61.3%, 3425, 15, 14.

    Year 4: After three years of improvement, the bottom falls out. 2 wins. Carr, along with the entire team, coaching staff and front office stunk. Still...60.5%, 2488, 14, 11.

    Year 5 After 6 weeks: Already matched last year's win total. Carr pads his stats in some early losses but has really only had the one bad game against the Cowboys. Current stats: 70.3% 1217, 9, 4.


    To say there have been "no results at all" in 4+ years is just off the mark. The meltdown that was last year has really obscured the progress that the team made over its first three years. I'm not completely sold on Carr, but when I look at the numbers and throw out last year when the team stunk in every possible phase of the game (except maybe kick-off returns) I can see enough improvement that I'm still willing to give the guy a chance to succeed here.
     
  7. msn

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    Dude's position is the whole "the Quarterback is the leader" thing taken to its illogical extreme. No playoffs = no results. When people argue that way, I wonder if they flat *forget* about the *other* 21 guys on the field.
     
  8. Pocket Rockets

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    ok ok, im a huge texans fan, but i flat out don't like david carr....he just seems like the easy scapegoat!
     
  9. Uprising

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    And that's your problem, you are looking at ONE person to put the blame on. if you really want to put the blame on one person....it should be on Casserly.
     
  10. Pocket Rockets

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    agreed, however from another stance, one could say he doesn't play the game while the players on the field do.
     
  11. rezdawg

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    Right...and surrounding Carr with crap talent is all on Casserly.
     
  12. msn

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    Thanks (seriously) for your candor here.

    I agree with others that if one person has to be blamed, it's CC.

    Here's something to get everyone's fur flying: a culpability ranking scale. Who's missing from my list below, and what changes would you make to my list? Top of the list is most culpable, all parties listed have at least some culpability, and unlisted parties have no blame at all.

    The list is cumulative for all four years, which may make things more difficult. A list for last year only, for example, would change things. This year is EXCLUDED.

    Cuss and discuss. :D

    1) Casserly/front office
    2) Coaching -- not putting guys in position to succeed based on innate abilities
    3) The Offensive Line
    4) WR's that SUCK and have concrete hands
    5) Defense
    6) DCarr
    7) Running game
     
  13. Pocket Rockets

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    and dom capers
     
  14. Icehouse

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    Moon played with bona-fide superstars on the offensive side of the ball? He had a super-star line, but a bad scheme that still led to him getting hit a lot.

    His defensive superstars never could hold a lead, so "F" them too......
     
  15. Khal80

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    This seasons lack of running game is really hurting us. If you noticed in most games we play well, really well, for one half. There is only so much winning football you can play without a running game. When we beat the jags, there was a point in the third quarter when it looked like the same ole texans, but with the D holding up and more importantly the running game opening up the passing game we took full control and never looked back

    as for the Oline, they have been looking alot better...cant really say the coaching thus far is a problem. And from what i have seen of Bush's running game, Im not all that down on picking mario as i was when i first heard the news, i would rather he takes his lumps now and become what many think he can...he shows alot of promise
     
  16. SwoLy-D

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    You mean ONLY Steve Jackson, man... don't remind me about his ass... :mad:
     
  17. Icehouse

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    No GM in the league would take Carr > Vick. Vick may not be the best passer, but he is such an exceptional runner that he is still able to act as a PLAYMAKER and help his team get a win. I don't have the stats but I believe there is a significant difference in the Falcons record with/without Vick.

    As far as the Falcons spending multiple #1 picks on WR's, what does it matter if every one they picked sucks? Just cuz you go in round 1 doesn't mean you are good...it just means they thought you had a chance to be good. You can still suck (i.e. a bust).

    Carr had a solid game last week but I still wouldn't call him an above-average QB now. My only issue with him would be his salary (if it is on par with above average QB's), or if we pass on potential future above-average QB's because fo him. Most of his stats have come after the game was over. When I watch Carr play I just hope he doesn't make a mistake to cost us the game. I rarely recall thinking he was gonna be a playmaker and do something to win the game for us.
     
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  18. msn

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    Have you asked them? Because I bet you're wrong.
     
  19. Icehouse

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    Nope, but I would take that bet.
     
  20. Khal80

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    Carr might not be the dynamic playmaker Vick is when he runs, but he still is one of the top running QB's in the league.

    I believe last year he ranked 2nd in QB rushing yards and this year he doesnt have to run as much
    This year DC is avg 203 passing yards and 10 rushing yards a game versus Vicks 151 passing yards and 73 yards a game rushing

    203 vs 224

    Vick also has one more interception and 3 more sacks than DC!!!!!!!!

    Not much of difference in QB play between them and ATL has a better team, in terms of D. Couple that with the fact we have a young team and in a new offense.

    I agree that vick is an amazing athlete is capable of making plays..but he might not be best suited as a QB, so there is a chance that not every GM would pick Vick over DC

    Go Texans
     

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