But no one could have won with this Texans team. The talent was horrible. Carr can't control the defense or his offensive line or 2 crappy WRs who shouldn't be in the league.
Whats with the Vick jocking? After that performance, he pulled up his season rating to 73.2. That was his first game of the season in which he passed for more than 154 yards. He's completing just over 52% of his passes for the season. Most important stat for a quarterback...YPA. Vick is at 6.18 for the year. You dont even want to see the names of the quarterbacks listed below him in this category. I just dont see how Vick is this incredible, superbowl worthy QB while Carr is a run of the mill average QB. It just doesnt make sense. And for the record, Im no Carr apologist. I tell it as it is. I think Carr has shown a lot this year...and the fact that people still dont see it is mind boggling. The guy is playing well above average...and only a handful of QBs, if that, are playing at a higher level than him.
The vaunted Defense that allowed 38 points to that "shadow of what they were last year" Pittsburgh Steelers team correct? I didn't see John Abraham throw 4 touchdown passes and led the team in overtime for the game winning field goal. Kinda like ML pitchers get credited with "wins". It's a BS stat. Teams win games, and teams lose them.[/QUOTE] You misunderstand the point... The stat isn't as relevant as the concept. Quarterbacks are remembered for what their team won, unlike other skill position players who are remembed for individual performance. Nobody talks about how Barry Sanders never won a super bowl. But nobody can have a discussion about Dan Marino without bringing up the fact he never did. That is life in the NFL. The Quarterback is expect to lead the team to victory.
You keep hanging on this one game against the Steelers where Vick led his team to victory...it was one game and you're making a career out of it.
How the **** is Yards Per Attempt the most important stat for a quarterback? Have you ever heard of the West Coast Offense?
You're right; I missed your point. However, I believe the whole "the quarterback is supposed to lead the team to victory" line may be just a tad overrated.
Uhhh...I dont see how you can discount a statistic like YPA for a QB. In any case, any defense for the rest of his crappy statistics? Or we can just talk about the Steelers game and what an incredible job Vick did of willing his team to victory against the reigning superbowl champs. By the way, yeah Ive heard of the West Coast offense...we can walk through the statistics of the other QB's in the league that are playing in the west coast offense as well...however you want to slice it, Vick will be at the bottom of the list.
For you guys that would prefer Leftwich, his game is in the dumper of all dumpers right now. If he was a baseball pitcher the baserunner could steal second and third on the same pitch before it hit the catcher's mit. That dude's is absolutely horrendous and he looks like a high schooler back there. I've always liked his heart and guts but he is all out of whack. Don't know if he is playing hurt or what but if his throwing doesn't improve, he is headed out of the league.
Why would Matt Shaub with a whole TWO career starts and 64 pass attempts last year (33 completions for barely about 50%) get the nod over Carr this year, who's at the top in the league in completion% AND is putting in a good rating with it and has better mobility? Rex Grossman's doing his job sure but he's the hot guy cuz his team's playing out of their minds now. David Carr could make use of the weapons they have over there as well. And how did the Bears win last game? DE-fense, and special teams plays. Phillip Rivers, will give him his credit for stepping in for Drew Brees. Though he's young and can't be trusted to win games by himself either and he's just guiding his team along (DE-fense). Michael Vick, great effective player running and passing. Absolutely true how receivers go there to die. Roddy White and Michael Jenkins can be somewhat like Chris Chambers types on other teams but all they do there is run down field and block, or watch the ball sail over their heads. Those would be the questionable guys in that list over Carr (I'll leave Eli and Favre alone). That'd put him in 11-14 range. Still need better, not too too bad... Wins do count for the QB though. The Jacksonville game Carr performed well, barely over his previous good games. All of a sudden he's not as bad a guy anymore cuz they won.
so you'd put brett favre and chad pennington ahead of david carr? really? really? agreed, save for eli; and i'd add drew brees to this list. i wouldn't take any of these guys over carr. grossman this year; roethelisberger last year are both products of extremely fortunate environments. but neither are paticularly good qbs. leinart and vy, perhaps one day; not right now. leftwich? he sucks. and i won't even dignify the aj fee -- i mean, matt schaub crap. ridic. i think carr may very well be a top 10 qb. if grossman is for real (which i doubt), then he's top 10, as is rivers if he can string together 2 or 3 good years. but right now? carr's 9 or 10: Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Marc Bulger/Eli Manning/David Carr.
A lot of the criticism of Carr that I see on this board seems to come from recycled criticism from last year made by people who probably haven't watched this year's games. If you've watched the games this year, (and I mean watched them, not check the stats afterwards or just check Sportscenter on Sunday night) I don't see how you can say that Carr hasn't improved 10 fold from his first 4 years in the league. The stats prove it. Even if you don't believe in the QB rating system (and I wonder how many people would change their tune if VY was in the top 5), you can't deny that Carr is having his best season yet and is showing MASSIVE improvement under Kubiak this year.......if you actually watch the games, that is.
So you dont see anything on the Texans then. Maybe a couple of highlights at the end of sportscenter.
