Take Michael Vick off the Falcons and they aren't a playoff contender. Vince Young isn't there yet, but he will be soon. Take David Carr off the Texans and you get maybe 1 more loss than usual? You pick 3rd in the draft instead of 5th? Whats the point. He obviously isn't good enough of a QB to carry a bad team to respectability.
I would puked at ur grammer. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, and I'm not sure that he has started a game since. Your argument makes little sense at all, I don't see how I'm getting a taste of my own medicine. Chris Chandler and Brad Johnson were still middle of the road QBs who were on good teams that got all the way to the Super Bowl. I don't think there would be too many people who would argue that half of the QBs in the league at that time couldn't have done the same with the those caliber of teams. David Carr isn't a Pro Bowl QB, But if you'd build some sort of a team around him, he's certainly capable of taking a team to the super bowl.
Maybe you weren't watching the Steelers game on Sunday. The Falcons running game was completely shut down by the Steelers and Vick passed them to victory, something a lot of critics have said he would never be able to do. 4 touchdown passes later I'd say he shut a few people up. and against the reigning super bowl champs no less.
This was after 3 straight games of throwing zero touchdown passes. Let's see if he can keep it up. Vick is a good player, but not a very good passer. And nobody could have taken Texans to respectability last year, I doubt even John Elway could have. Also, Vick's rating for his 4 TD game was 96.1. Carr has had above a 95 rating for every game this year except one.
Michael Vick has never had a possession receiver in his offense either. He has Alge Crumpler as his most reliable target. Peerless Price, Michael Jenkins, Roddy White, Ashley Lelie. None of them will go over the middle on a regular basis and make tough catches. I'm fairly certain if Vick had a guy like Andre Johnson to throw to, The Falcons would be the best team in the league.
From the comment you would think he is getting a high rating, that is a lot of praise for the #14 QB.
It seems like whenever the Falcons sign a new receiver (Price, Lelie), their stats get worse. I'm not saying those receivers are great, but Vick deserves some of the blame for not being accurate and patient as a passer.
If Vick had Andre Johnson to throw to, Andre would likely not be the NFL's leading receiver. Three of the 4 names above are 1st round picks, and Peerless Price was thought of as a big time acquisition (borderline probowler in Buffalo) at the time. Atlanta is where receivers go if they want their careers to die.
I'm assuming whoever wrote the comments made the rankings as well, I wasn't referring to the QB Rating stat, but the order that the guy rated them. The comment doesn't seem to jive with the QB that was #14 in the estimation of the author (the same with his comments on Huard who he ranked 19th).
Yeah playing with Vick makes any WR horrible. I mean Ernest Wilford never amounted to anything right? Peerless Price was a complement receiver who put up big numbers in a pass happy system where he was the #2 opposite possession receiver Moulds. He was overrated, which shocked me a bit, I thought he had some room to become great, just didn't work out. What you have to bear in mind is that the Atlanta Falcons are the league's best rushing team and have been for a while. They are going to look to run the ball all day on you if they can, and if that isn't working, they usually lose because Vick can't find anybody open save Alge Crumpler. I maintain that if Vick had Andre Johnson to throw to, they'd complete a lot more first downs and be a dominant team. I never said anything about him putting up big numbers, because again the Falcons are a running football team first and foremost. I said the team would be the best in the league if they had a guy like Andre Johnson who was consistent enough to get open and make the catches.
Exactly...I definitely bear in mind that the Falcons have an incredible running game which should help Vick out tremendously. Give David Carr the same type of running game and see what happens. I also bear in mind that the Falcons defense gives up 8 points less per game than the Texans. And you're right...he threw his way to victory against the reigning superbowl champs...a team that is no where near their form from last year...a 2-4 record, right on par with the Texans. You are totally overhyping the guy.
Ernest Wilford? Wilford was hardly a blip on the radar screen when Vick was at VaTech. Three 1st round picks at wide receiver on Atlanta's roster. (How would those wideouts be viewed if they were at the disposal of one Tom Brady?) If Andre was on the Falcons, Vick would be freezing him out along with his other wide receivers in favor of 1.) Being a running back, and 2.) Alge Crumpler. As I said, Atlanta is where receivers go if they want their careers to die.
No more than the you Carr apologists have been overhyping his so called "sheer talent" and "leadership qualities" even since he was drafted, and so far he's led you to the cellar every year except 2004 when you had a little flicker of hope that was quickly put out the next season. Didn't Domanick Davis and Carr combine to give the texans one of the top rushing yardage totals a couple yeas back? What do you have to show for it? The Steelers defense is no different than it was last year, and Vick was able to lead the Falcons down the field time after time and eventually for the win. They shut down the running game and Vick proved that with his arms and legs he was capable of taking the game over by himself, something that guys like Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair and Peyton Manning have been doing for years. David Carr is simply a run of the mill average NFL QB who didn't live up to the hype and become the next Steve Young, but stayed mired in mediocrity and maybe had flashes of brilliance here and there. He might never be an NFL MVP or a QB capable of carrying a team to a super bowl. Now that isn't to say he's a horrible QB, he's just simply scratching the surface of above average. I think on a good team he'd be able to lead them to a good season, but I don't think he is special enough to make an average team great.
Leave him in there, and they aren't a playoff contender, Steelers game notwithstanding. The Falcons will fade like they always do. Vick will either: a) be wildly inconsistent b) get hurt *again* or c) all of the above
If by Blip on the Radar Screen you mean #1 target then sure. I'm telling all of you though its really quite simple. Vick's team wins games, Carr's team doesn't. Do you ever see a career record flash during a game about an Defensive Lineman's career win-loss record? No. Quarterbacks are supposed to win games.
Who has been hyping Carr's "sheer talent" and "leadership qualities?" We aren't the Vince Young fans. Most David Carr supporters are realistic, we don't believe in some magical quality in our QB. We simply see that the Texans have been horrid and Carr did not get a real chance to utilize the tools everyone knew he had coming out of college. Vick would do no better than Carr if he was here the past 4 years. You want to talk about bad receivers? Gaffney and Bradford, who STARTED here, aren't even playing right now! Yes, Domanick was great 2 years ago, and Carr did pretty well too. The Texans improved to 7-9 and Carr put up a better QB rating than Vick ever has. Vick has tremendous potential and can will his team to victory, but he doesn't seem to care too much about becoming a guy who can break down defenses from the pocket. If he'd focus on passing instead of running he'd take it to the next level.
Gotcha. All of Vick's wins have nothing whatsoever to do with that Atlanta defense then, right? Kinda like ML pitchers get credited with "wins". It's a BS stat. Teams win games, and teams lose them.
