I think most MVP's have been right except 97 with 100% failure rate on that one. MJ should have won 3 in a row. Guy came back from a 72 win season and followed it up leading his team to 69. Did he need 1 more win to make it a shiny round number for voters like Harden needed a few more digits for that shiny triple double? MJ nor Shaq were ever unanimous but they should have been. So should have a few others before Steph. So that- i do think the voters have gotten wrong. When you start talking about lower seeds winning MVPs due to gaudy stats like Westbrook is when it gets complicated. Nuggets were 6th seed last year when Joker won his b2b, but he was leading his team with tons of injuries, but okay, give that to whoever-CP3 if you want like Perkins wanted because Nash won it the same way so why did CP3 not? RACIST! Ok. Now you gotta take Westbrooks away and give it to a top seed led Rockets team by James Harden who also have the stats, just not a few more numbers to equal a triple double. But, triple doubles don't matter all of a sudden that Joker is doing right? If you take Jokers away and don't give it to CP3 or Booker on the top seed, and instead go with a 51 win Embiid or Giannis, then now we gotta take DRose's away(See Perk. It aint only a white guy to fit your narrative) and give it to LeBron. But, if Russ won as a 6th seed...then..Kobe should have 1 over Nash, and if top seed isn't the main factor, then Nash's first should go to Shaq also. Now let's get more complicated. If it's about advanced stats and leading a worse team to a decent spot in the playoffs then 2 of Magics b2b should have been b2b to Michael who led his less talented team to a middle seed in 89 and a 2nd seed in 90 while leading the league in scoring, steals, dominating defensively where Magic didn't play defense, and leading in all the advanced metrics that they didn't have back then but now show Michael was the best player in the NBA. So that should be 1 stretch of 5 MVP's in a row, 88/89/90 plus 91/92(93 is unquestionably Barkleys), plus 96,97,98 for a total of 8 with 1x 5 peat and 1x 3 peat. If you argue Magic had the best team in the league at 63 wins in the 89/90 season, fine, but his team only won 57 in 88/89 and tied for 3rd while Mike was the most dominant player both sides and proved that by single handily giving the Pistons their only 2 losses of the post season in the ECF. Swept everyone else including Magic in the Finals. A point people like to use today. Using playoffs as resume reference for the next MVP season in which Michael should have had the advantage despite Magics team leading the league in wins.
Of course it won't. It will continue if Joker wins (proving Perk right) or if Joker loses, it will be because Perk used fear tactics to make white voters feel guilty in voting for Joker. It's no secret that voters have penalized people in the past. Is it ridiculous that neither Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson or LeBron James have won 3 in a row but Bird has and Joker is about to? Yeah..it is. But the voters are only at fault with voter fatigue when there was another player doing really good too and it's always been a black player that beat out Michael or Magic or LeBron, etc. Magic just hit his prime as Michael was going crazy. Bird at the same time can't win 3 in a row either so sometimes it's 2 powerful forces overlapping. Like i said, they got 97 wrong. Voter fatigue was complete bullshit and it was showing in how many votes others got in 96 and even 98 when those 2 should have been unanimous also. Shaq got 1 in his 3 year run of the most dominant player in modern day history. AI's 1 came in the middle of that and the Sixers had same amount of wins as the #1 seed Lakers. If Voters got it absolutely right, Joker would be on his 2nd and last year's MVP or his first could have easily gone to Embiid, BUT you can't punish Joker now that he came back a 3rd year and blowing those 2 seasons out of the water statistically while leading his team to the top seed-2 factors that people argued against him the first 2 MVPs. So he took on all haters and did exactly what they thought he should have done and now deserves the MVP. If he doesn't, it's just down to voter fatigue or fear tactics employed by someone putting it out there that there may be racism at play.
By and Large it is a meaningless award Because it is nothing more than a popularity contest and RARELY Do players they don't like win Let's say Boogie.. . in his prime. . . He could have been a 30 15 9 guy and probably would not have won because people did not like him People Liked Westbrook and Steph over the "he cheating the game" Harden Joel Embiid isn't unlikable but Jokic has the better story It's more about eyes and clicks than anything Rocket River
Well, fwiw, Perk is the only one saying "statpadder" this and "voters are racists" that. What he's saying, as far as the racism angle goes, isn't gaining any traction on other sports mediums. That's what I meant to say, about JJ shutting it down by not talking about it further. The less it gets talked about, the less it becomes a topic of worthy conversation. The less it becomes a topic, the faster it will fall out of the sports news cycle. Now, when Jokic wins the MVP, will Perk try to come back with another racism hot take? Oh, you bet. But no one will care because it's already been said once before, by the very same person.
Well your first point is simply asinine and without merit, so no need or point in responding. Regarding the original point of this thread, I am not really sure how its racism to point out a fact. It is a fact that the last three White NBA MVPs were not top 10 in scoring. It is a fact that the last two players to win three straight MVPs were both White (Bird and Jokic (I am giving it to him since the Media is insisting on it)). Is there anyone with a brain cell who believes Larry Bird is better than MJ or Lebron James, outside Justin Termine from NBA Radio (who, BTW, is a voter, proving my point below). We all know that other players feel the Media is dick riding Jokic to a degree unseen since the days of Bird. Bird was a champion, so he deserved the praise; sorry, but Jokic doesn't. Jokic is just a taller version of Boris Diaw. Never has a player accomplished so little for his team and gotten so much praise. Harden would have killed for this kind of press. It reminds me of something Bob Ryan once said. This man said on TV, with a straight face, that if aliens came to Earth and we had to beat them in a one on one basketball game to save the planet, and he could choose only one player from any era, he would choose Bill Walton. I mean, that statement is so ridiculous that it is disqualifying. Who in the hell believes that? I bet even Bill Walton was like "What the f**k? I am taking Lebron or MJ!" After he said that, I have pretty much ignored everything Bob Ryan has said about anything. He simply has no credibility. There is also an additional point that needs to be addressed here: player pay. Specifically, League awards and All NBA team voting. Since many players contracts are based on getting an award or a spot on an ALL NBA Team, media bias in favor of certain players will have a direct impact on their compensation. Would any of you want some random person you have never met deciding how much money you make? There are some sports writers who get to vote on these awards who may not have watched an NBA game all season. Therefore, if I were an NBA player, I am going to the NBAPA and telling them that this should be an issue on the table for renegotiating the CBA.
media always picks and chooses who they want to push…now it’s Jokic if he doesn’t do anything in the postseason yet again, his 3 straight MVPs will be a bigger joke than anything Dave Chapelle has ever told Embiid dropped 47 on Jokic’s head in a win, and Jokic was still deemed the runaway MVP favorite the very next day. Tf? Let the roles have been reversed
^"The PROBLEM with these wokester is all the wokeism and the woke wokeness of the woke WOKE and Woke woke wokeness woke woke woke mind virus woke STOPWOKE woke" - a guy who doesn't get up at 5:57 AM to complain to a bunch of rando strangers about his victimhood
Jokic is number 1 by a mile in every metric that exists, any vote for someone other then him is pure idiocy. The only way he's not unanimous MVP this year is because there are idiots out there who just want to troll with their vote, instead of voting for someone deserving.
So I'm putting odds that OP is white at roughly 107%. White people haven't been the subject of every form of social oppression and stigmatization in the developed world for the last three+ centuries, while black people have. [Certain] white people need to understand that all other things are not equal... So it is not an apples to apples comparison when someone says something you interpret as a slight on your race (which Perkins' message is not, by the way) as when they say something similar about another race. We are a long way from living in that world. ... Having said all of the above, while I haven't been following the NBA closely this year, Jokic seems like a pretty obvious pick at the moment. Not trying to defend Jokic's point.
I usually agree with most everything you post, but this honestly ain't it, chief. You have to know that the MVP isn't determined by h2h matchups. As far as the media pushing an agenda for MVP? This season, they've tried SO HARD to name anyone other than Jokic because they literally want anyone other than him to win it. Embiid, Giannis, Tatum, Durant and Luka have all been in the conversation at some point throughout the season. The reason why he's now seemingly so far above everyone else is...because he basically is. Dude is playing with zero all-stars. MPJ, Murray and Gordon don't all play every single game and he's batting 1.000 when he notches a triple-double, all on legendary efficiency. Honestly, if the vaunted "triple double" deserved an MVP, this would be the season - not Westbrook's season.
Joker deserves it this year. Embid last year. There is no racism with the award that's just a stupid take. The voters are just plain idiots that's all. They get it wrong at times.
I'm not sure anyone has ever led in so many advanced statistical categories in a season as joker this year..and what media bias? All I see on major media is joker hate/dismissal. JJ might be the only guy who loves him on these shows. Nick Wright called him the worst mvp of all time before changing his tune and acting like he was always on team Jokic this year. Everyone else kept pushing embiid or giannis and perk wanted cp3 giannis or embiid yr 1. Some of these guys refuse to even put joker in the running. If it's bias, it looks like bias against Jokic for being white. His past 2 can be argued like many mvps, but this is the year where he blew it all away statistically and with wins. Bird got 3 in close races in all but 1 in 87 iirc. These last 2 were close too, and like bird finishing it off with 87 being one of the greatest teams ever, joker is finishing it off his best season ever and one of the wildest statistical seasons ever while being 1st place in the west. It has to do also with overlap. If magic peaked during the bird run and not after, bird doesn't win 3 in a row. Giannis peaked statistically before joker went on his run. Bucks got the wins right now but giannis ain't got the statistical advantage since nugs have the wins too. Embiid has been neck and neck but never took it for himself . Theres really no one else to overlap with Jokers regular season reign. Embiid probably should have 1 last year but year 1 he missed too many games and missed games last year too. It ain't racist that he didn't win and both were up for grabs and he ddint take it for himself and no one is taking it from Joker again this year unless we see one of the other top mvp leaders go on a historical statistical run while winning out to end the season and jokers team drops a bit. You gotta steal it from Jokic and no one can so were down to white guilt tripping voters against Jokic.
Put it this way. Perk was going all crazy for Russell Westbrooks triple double. His team needed every one to get the 6th seed right? Joker does the triple double with no all star teammate, while leading his team to 1st place going undefeated in games where he gets a triple double AND doing it all on crazy high efficiency with advanced metrics through the roof on an all time level....but Perk calls him a stat padder and when that argument fails, he brings out the race card. He cherry picks his own narratives. All I see here is bias against Jokic for being whtie and if a white guy stood up there and started talking conspiracies on why majority of MVPs go to black players, that guy would be fired/ canceled and forced to post an apology video on his Twitter and never heard from again.
The first one could have easily gone to Embiid? How Jokic played 20 more games than Embiid had better season and basic stats and their teams were 49 wins for Philly to Denver’s 47 wins. How could the first one gone to Embiid easily? Now last season explain to me how Embiid could have won it easily last year?
