The agent choice was dumb. Not preparing for the wunderlick test was dumb and not wearing a suit to the whitehouse was dumb. All of these things translate back to his agent, he should have prepared him better. All of VY's issues so far can be traced back to his representation IMO. I'm not bashing, just being honest. If Bush had done the same thing, i'd say he was an idiot for hiring an agent with no experience.
If you want to say that Vince should've hired a more experienced and prominent agent, that's one thing. If you want to say that that Vince Young is arrogant and lazy because of who he chose as his representation, that's completely different.
Just a utterly silly argument. You think teams are more willing to take on a Drew Rosenhouse (sp?) client than a Major Adams client? Ricky Williams got taken to school, but it was to the benefit of the Saints. For VY's sake he should have picked better representation (I think he should have gone with Steinberg—who seems to get the players what they want without alienating owners), but picking someone who is ripe for a sucker deal to benefit the owner (Texans/Titans/Jets/Raiders etc) is not going to hurt his draft status. As for humility and leadership, every indicator by his teammates and coaches is that these are a major character strength to how he approaches and manages games, that is a whole lot more relevant as to whether he wears a suit all the time or handles the media well. The Wonderlic fiasco certainly hasn’t helped his cause. But the thing that VY that can most hurt his draft status is sucking throwing the ball on UT's pro day. We will see.
Who said he didn't prepare for his test? It's been confirmed by multiple legitimate sources that the score of 6 was not graded or administered correctly and is thus completely invalid and meaningless. As for not working out at the combine, as someone else already said, I guess you think Bush and Leinart are in for rude awakenings as well since they didn't participate either.
If the grading was incorrect, regrading it would make the score valid.. if it were administered incorrectly, that's a different story. Although I don't know exactly what administering there is to the test other than timing it..
desert. I agree about the agent. If I were a team, I'd rather have a "new" agent because I'd think I could end up getting the player signed cheaper... Is the guy actually doing his contact though, or is he bringing in someone else for that?
Ok scoring a 16 is SECOND time tells me he didn't prepare for the test. 16 out of 50 questions? Come on. Thats weak. Cat, if he didn't score a 6 his first time, then what did he score? Will you agree that it was lower than a 16? If so, then straight up, he didn't prepare.
I said in another thread that I think coming out and directly addressing the whole wonderlic thing would help his stock.. but after thinking about it, it doesn't even need to be public.. as long as his agent makes a good case to the teams and they fully understand the situation.. specifically if the first team was regraded, what was the score etc.. as long as his agent handles it correctly, I don't think it'll be a huge issue
He did say a couple things about the wonderlic about a week ago, you can read it on espn.com. Puedlfor hit it right on the head IMO.
By how much do you guys think Young's stock has fallen over the last few weeks? I'm just curious after listening to 610 SR today.
Young's value right now is still at least Top 10. The next few days will tell us a great deal about what teams will be picking who. Rumors - The Saints (Yes, the Saints) appear to be frontrunners in the Drew Brees sweepstakes. Parcells has even advised Sean Payton to go after Brees even though they are in position to take Matt Leinart. Daunte Culpepper is going to be traded within the next 24 hours to either Miami or Oakland (neither is confirmed, Oakland is mentioned but not considered the "favorite", Miami fits the bill but a darkhorse could emerge maybe such as Arizona (Dennis Green is Culpepper's former coach) These two developments will great effect where the QBs end up, which in turn will shake up the whole draft order. Don't be surprised to see a LOT of shuffling around within the top 10 as April 29th inches closer.
What he scored the first time is irrelevant. The test was graded and/or administered incorrectly. He scored a 16 on his first valid taking of the test.
None. He's still a likely top 3 pick, top 5 at worst, just as he was the day he declared. Why? NFL teams understand the circumstances of the Wonderlic. Multiple general managers are on the record saying Young's first Wonderlic test was graded and/or administered incorrectly and is thus completely invalid. The only folks making a big deal out of all this are conspiracy theory fans and the internet media looking for a few hits for its webpages. The actual front offices know what's going on and are on the record with their opinions. All this talk... is irrelevant. Of course, is much, much less fun for the media to talk about the truth, so you get these moronic articles every couple of days.
He is not that smart but frankly football players don't have to be. Even quarterbacks. He hired a family friend and this Agent is making mistakes. VY will be a force in this league. The Texans cannot take him because of the owner. 1. Mcnair has manlove for Carr. 2. Mcnair wants to win ASAP. So basically it does not matter. VY will still go top 5, make his cash, and be great. Hopefully he finds a good team (that is not named Cowboys)
We all agree that Vince Young is really, really dumb though, right ? He might have football intelligence, however. What else does a football player need? Maybe he's like Forrest Gump. Although Forrest was a pretty humble guy. Vince Young seems kind of arrogant ( saying your humble does it make it true). The bottom line is : Vince Young is a very good football player that happens to be incredibly stupid. Roger Staubach was pretty dumb too. Fran Tarkenton was smart though, with That's Incredible! and all. What?
the cat... even on tv the other day a host mentioned that his sources say he scored a 7 the first time.. so a lot of people are stil suspicious of it for a number of reasons.. it's not just conspiracy people the first being, why retake the test instead of just regrading it?
I just want to know if he was retaking the SAME exact test again.. I find taking taking a totally new test to be valid. but if he retook the SAME exact test.. then well, yeah I would expect someone to score higher the 2nd time!
Listen. I don't think he scored a 6 or 7 on the first test.. it was probably close to the 16... 6 or 7... the man can read, I'm sure he can score higher than that But I would have had an agent call a news conference as soon as the score got out online to get rid of the rumors from day 1.. there are still questions of. was it graded wrong.. or was it administered wrong? Having a press conference telling exactly what happened the FIRST day it leaked out in the news would have helped put the rumors down... Just what I personally would have done if I were his agent, but then again I'm no pro agent.
I think at this point it's getting pretty clear that he is not represented right. His Agent is not doing anything to help his stock or help him against all these rumors. They are just sitting back big time and letting VY take the brunt of the critisism. That's the one place he definitly went wrong, his agent, and he is needs to rethink it or Major Adams needs to get some lessons and help his client out.
