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[ESPN] O'neal: Racism behind age limit

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by JunkyardDwg, Apr 11, 2005.

  1. OddsOn

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    Oh geez.....here we go again. I am coming to believe that blacks are more racist then anyone else....lol I am sure Martin Luther King is rolling in his grave right about now with free use of racism.

    Here is an idea.......how about the NBA is a business and the OWNERS can decide to hire who ever in the hell they want to. If black players offer the best source of talent so be it but don't go throwing the "race card" around like that. Personally I am offended that every freakin' NBA commercial has a hip hop flavor to it....as a matter of fact I feel like it is racism towards caucasians. :rolleyes:

    The reason they are probably wanting to raise the age limit is for game fundamentals and mental maturity.......not race pleople!!!
     
  2. haven

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    Since when?

    There are all sorts of limitations on hiring discretion - particularly based on race and sex. There is some protective age-based legislation, but it's only designed to protect older people. It's been interpreted as not providing protection for people discriminated against for being too young.

    Still, your post is inaccurate.
     
  3. Man

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    I'm for an age limit..what is J O'neal talking about? How does age limit ahve to do with racism?
     
  4. FlyerFanatic

    FlyerFanatic YOU BOYS LIKE MEXICO!?! YEEEHAAWW
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    I'm for an age limit, I would love to see these guys go to college...as long as they came to Dayton :D
     
  5. 3814

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    there's no reason the race card should be brougt out...BUT, in my opinion, it all boils down to one thing:

    equal opportunity.

    if you can do the job, no matter how old you are - no matter what ethicity you are - no matter what the hell you are, you should have the right to get that job.

    there should be no age limit.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    The age limit for voting, smoking, going to war, and playing in the NBA should be 18 ~ anything higher is obvious racism.
     
  7. micah1j

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    Anyone listening to O'Neal on ESPN? Can Greg Anthony help out this no college guy anymore? He's almost putting words in his mouth.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    That's a ridiculous racist statement right there. Its ridiculous on several fronts. First of all, blacks are not in a position to make any racist policies against any other group in this country. Secondly by labeling a group of people as anything as you have just done in your post and then to say that group is racist you sound like a moron.


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    The thing that gets me the most is the way you guys get your panties in a wad because someone dicusses race. Race is an issue in this country. If it wasn't you wouldn't be so freakin hot and bothered by it being brought up.


    Jermaine O'Neal probably was wrong to say its racism but I understand where he is coming from. The only kids coming out of High School are black. He is a kid that came straight out of High School. There is no uproar about Europeans who come into the draft and take four freakin years to develop. As matter of fact everyone loves the Europeans coming into the draft even though they face a alot of the same adjustments that High Schoolers face.
     
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    just using the potential draft choices at nbadraft.net

    there are 6 american highschoolers who are drafted on their boards.

    4 international players who are younger than 20.
     
  10. lost_elephant

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    as shown in my previous post, highschoolers outnumber international players younger than 20 by only 2 according to what that board shows on its current draft list. its not only blacks that will be affected greatly by this new policy.

    the thing that gets me is that the people who are crying race the loudest are blacks in most cases. every race has racists, every race has prejudices, but that shouldn't be the excuse, the reason, or the kneejerk reaction rally cry for each and every issue that might affect black people.
     
  11. pgabriel

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    First of all I would argue that this issue is directed at High Schoolers and not Europeans. There are two issues at play, quality of play in the NBA and quality of play in the NCAA. Europeans may be negatively affected by the policy but its not geared towards them.

    Second of all, by saying that this is a another knee jerk reaction by blacks you are being predjudice. I seem to remember an outcry from a portion of the Chinese posters here that the decision to not to give Yao the ROY was somewhat based in race, yet no one complained about the race card being played. If you believe blacks are a little sensitive to racial issues in this country you're are absolutely right. History has dictated this circumstance not black people.
     
  12. Christopher

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    You know what gets me....the NBA produces so many black stars....its an organisation that can see a young man become a world wide star and rich beyond his wildest dreams.

    Thats all great....but as soon as something doesnt go the way of player....there is always someone ready to bring up racism in the NBA.

    Now, Im sure most players rolled their eyes when they saw what O'Neal had said. Take 100 people off the street and ask what colour the sky is....you'll find someone who's swear its not blue.

    But for the minority who like to bring up racism in a sport that probably has a better racial mix then many others around the world, I wonder why they dont get so upset when "white" fans pay money to watch them play. Money that finds its way into the pockets of a guy like O'Neal.

    Personally, I dont give a stuff about race. I just wasnt brought up to care what a persons skin colour was. I just find it very sad that in a sporting competition that has stars from all over the world and just about every race you could think of....thats this type of petty barb is thrown at the games administration when ever something doesnt go the way some idiot thinks it should.
     
  13. lost_elephant

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    highschoolers indeed are central to this topic, but do not brush aside the negative affect on international players. just in last years draft, there were 7 black highschoolers and 1 white highschooler taken, on the other hand 5 international players were taken that were under 20. if one were to subract the 1 white player from the list of highschool players taken, there is only a difference of 2 players between them. this is an issue that hurts everyone. the fact that people only relate this rule to american highschoolers is a farce and explains the ignorance of many.

    as far as it being a kneejerk reaction, you darn right it is. J. O'neal isn't in the meeting. He doesn't know the causes for this new policy, he admitted as much in his interview on NBA Nation, but that isn't enough to keep him from assuming that this move is racially motivated.
     
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  14. vlaurelio

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    I think the guy has valid questions and is not the idiot.. he's basiacally questioning the reason behind the raising the age limit?

    for quality? who are the top players now.. kobe, tmac, lebron, amare..
    if they arenjot ready then teams shouldn't be drafting them anyway..

    to help the young men? so you are sure if a young man who has NBA talent is forced to wait then he will be better off? none can be sure that he's going to drop out of school evenutually or do nothing productive with his life anyway..

    it was reckless for him to bring up race without getting his questions answered first.. but I think its real courageous of him to ask these questiions and unselfish of him to give other kids the same chance that he had..
     
  15. vlaurelio

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    really? you don't care about a persons skin coloor? I find that hard to believe because in your post alone you mentioned a color or the word 'colour' at many times..
     
  16. aaaccchhhooo

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    it's not a race issue..when stern took over like millions of years ago..the NBA was 80% whites...and now it's 80% blacks..i don't see how that call racism
     
  17. J DIDDY

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    ........against the Chinese.
     
  18. NewYorker

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    How many white players go straight from high school to the NBA?

     
  19. NewYorker

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    What should an 18 year old basketball player do if they don't want to go to college and can't play in the NBA? Join the YMCA???? Play in Europe? work at mickey d's?

    This is the stupidest rule ever created. We should just raise the age for smoking, voting, adulthood and everything else to 20 as well, that way David stern's idea actually makes sense.

    For anyone who thinks young men aren't mature enough to make decisions about skipping college and going to the NBA - you're right. But guess what, we're not communists, we live in a society that is all about making individual choices - which includes choosing money over books.
     
  20. Christopher

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    Wow...I said the word "Colour" I must be racist huh? :rolleyes:
     

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