[ESPN] New York Knicks Making Progress on Carmelo Anthony Trade

I coach also, and yes you START a play somewhere, but that doesn't make it a first option, it makes it a starting point for the play.

And the Rockets will have multiple starting points, the read and react is predicated on taking what the defense gives up and exploiting that.

Some nights it will be Yao on the block, some nights it will be AB with a mismatch up top, some nights, Kevin Martin, some Scola.....it will be different each and every night.

Go back and watch the Sacremento Kings of the early 2000s....they played the style the Rockets will be playing this year.

We are all picking nits here....if you guys want to call the first pass, the first option, feel free.....I don't see it that way, I see it as an initiation to the offense....

BTW- there are SOME plays, the pindown curl that Chase and Kmart both come off of for a shot, a PnR that Yao and AB run, post ups for Yao, Luis, and Battier....but the primary option, IMO, will be the lack of a focal point.

DD

 

I think most people not living in the tri state area think Gallo is overrated and only the most optimistic/desperate think Randolph has a shot at realizing the All Star talent he has.

Gallo has one NBA skill and a bad back - his absolute ceiling as a player is to be Jason Kapono and that's not saying much. The bad back is supposedly worrying Knicks staff in private. I can't imagine anyone taking Gallo thinking he would be more than a one dimensional role player.

 

We need value out of these picks.

The higher, the better chance at better players.

We could net a Landry, Brooks or Budinger with those low end picks or we could end up with Dorsey, Taylor or any other crap player.

Can't take that chance.

This sucks, just sucks man!

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...x-1.812055/live-chat-with-alan-hahn-1.2377693

Does anybody with Cap expertise know if we could offer more salary cap relief than the Bricks?

 

Of course with a higher pick, the better chance at better players. That's obvious. I'm just saying our picks do not become "worthless" as reeko said. We will get value out of these picks if the knicks play well, just not as much.

 

But yes, it does suck

 

Our picks will be worthless.

If Walsh nets Melo, all this talk of Morey raping the Knicks goes down the toilet.

Walsh was brought in for the sole reason to net the Knicks 2 or 3 max level superstars.

He got Amare, so half of his job is done. If he nets Melo, his work would have been completed.

Melo-Amare is a nice consolation prize from LeBron-Bosh.

 

Did you not read my post above? Worthless means they will have NO value. They will have value, just not as much. We're not talking about walsh here, or Morey's "raping" of him. We're talking about the value of the picks which is completely contingent on the the Knick's record at the end of the year. No matter what, Morely will very likely be able to squeeze at least SOME value out them. He has a pretty good track record of finding bargains later in the draft. Of course there's the chance that we get a Dorsey with a later pick, but history tells us that more often than not Morey gets value out of picks no matter where they lie in the draft.

 

We could offer a little, but I don't think it would be much more than 25% of what Melo would have cost them.

If they are looking for teams to give them cap relief they need multiple teams to do the trade or teams with large cap room avaialble.

We are not in the running in either scenario outside of being a 3rd party to help facilitate it.

DD

 

Oh, okay. Carmello could help the Knicks, but not us. 10-4, DD. Over and out.

 

he's going to NY one way or another. if he doesn't go this year, he'll play out his contract and sign for less. it appears he REALLY wants to go to NY b/c of hometown affiliations.

and man, is amare balling out of control or what? steve nash who? (yes i know it's preseason but *******)

 

This is a great point, that for some reason, everyone seems to keep overlooking.

 

The funny thing about this story is that the title is kind of inaccurate. It's not so much that New York is "making progress" on Carmelo trade, it's that they are acquiescing to Denver's demands and moving off their prior (reported) position that they are not going to include both Gallinari and Randolph (plus another asset traded to acquire a pick) in a Carmelo trade.

The prior reports said that D'Antoni and Walsh don't want to give up too much young assets but Isiah is advocating giving up anything that it would take to get Melo. Guess the Isiah point of view is winning out (maybe related to some of the preseason inconsisent play for both Gallo and Randolph and the fear that fans will turn agaisnt the present roster if they struggle early).

 

I don't know if I buy that Stoudemire plus Melo automatically makes the Knicks a playoff team, given the complete and total lack of talent surrounding them (after the Knicks lose what little depth they have to trade for Melo).

Neither Stoudemire nor Melo are top 10 players in the NBA in my opinion, they are good, but they aren't first-tier superstars. They don't play defense either. It would be asking a lot for them to add that many wins by themselves.

 

I think you're underrating him with that statement, but he's not the "oozing with upside" player everyone thought he would be when he was drafted. I didn't always think this way, but I think he has a lower ceiling that Budinger... and a higher ceiling than Kapono.

Randolph... wow, I love his potential and if we didn't have to give up too much to get him, I'd love a good coaching staff (like ours) to see what they can really get out of him. But at the same time, I feel like he might be Stromile Swift v. 2.0. I know you can say that about any young player, but I think now I'm 65 - 35 that he's a Stro clone, rather than 50-50.

I know he primarily plays 2, but out of the three "assets" the Knicks really have, I like Wilson Chandler the best. I think he can play 3 in this league. No stats or graphs to back that up, just passes the eye test. He looks like he can play.

 

LOL - so you do understand that the needs of both teams and makeup of those teams is drastically different, right?

I do not want Melo, but I have said since day one, if you can get him for Hill, Budinger, Jeffries and a pick you go for it....

DD

 

I've been saying this for a while - if the Nuggets move Anthony, they know they'll immediately become a fringe team and lose revenue. They have no interest in paying an overpriced expiring guy (Curry, AK47, etc) and staying deep in the luxury tax.

They need to drop $11M in payroll to get out of the tax. Any deal will almost certainly include handing over $3M cash.

They want a TE. Problem is, no one has a TE that would cover Anthony's $17M and you can't package it with players to make the money work.

Teams with expiring deal players could rope in Cleveland or Toronto and do some money laundering - exchange the player for a TE to give to Den. The obstacles there are:
Deal has to be for $14M or less
The TE would have to go for a non-Anthony player
You'd still need salary leftover to bring in Anthony (at least $13.5M, 125% rule)

Billups makes $13.1M
Nene makes $11.4M
JR Smith makes $6M
Andersen makes $3.9M

The Knicks simply don't have enough salary to double down and take back Anthony as well as a (Curry-->TE) second swap. They have to send Curry to get Anthony. Best they could do is switch out Turiaf for a TE for Andersen.

Chicago's in a similar boat with Deng.

We could use our TE and take back Andersen to save them $4M.

We could "wash" Jeffries and exchange a TE for JR Smith (and hopefully, immediately, send him somewhere else).

Doing either or both of the above, we'd still have plenty of assets to ship over (Brooks, Battier, Hill, Patterson) along with the Knicks picks.

Nuggets get under the tax and immediately shave as much as $14.5M in salary this year ($25M if tax payments are included). They get several rotation players in return and a young near-All Star. They get the Knicks picks.

No one can come close to this offer, especially in terms of savings.

 

If Randolph were 24-25, i would agree about the Stro 2.0 assessment, but he is only 21. Which, btw, is the same age as most of this years draftees. He has 2 years experience already with upside through the roof. Now i do agree about Chandler being the better choice now, but as far as our future star is concerned, i would take Randolph and shove Hakeem down his throat for the next 2 off-seasons. I would make him become Hakeem's shadow. :grin:

 

Finally! haha

 

Lots of win in this post.

To me, it paints a believable & reasoned explanation of why the Knicks will be good, but not great, when they eventually land Melo.