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[ESPN] Nets look at Scola

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by The_Yoyo, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. LongTimeFan

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    /thread.

    I love RealGM.. but when they quote "The Rocket Guy", they should be immediately discredited.
     
  2. dartherus

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    Amen, an offer starting at 8 mill, plus increasing salary each new season (AFAIK, the starting salary would only count for the cap, ins't it?)...should do the trick....

    Remember the first time Manu Ginobili got his first post-rookie contract? something like this was done and Ginobili felt appreciated not being forced to wait an offer sheet....

    Unbreakable Scola is likely to have a better % of attendance without injury at 35 than any rookie from this year to 2015...so, why would it be impossible to give him 5 years? (still the ones asking for shorter contracts have not commented on Jordan earning finals MVP and his 6th ring at 35)....so, why only a short contract is possible for Scola?
     
  3. JBIIRockets

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    Rockets need to lock Scola up. he deserves it. Gonna be productive for a while.
     
  4. dartherus

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    I was not talking from what is fair to Scola, for the rest of the fans, check it entirely from the Rockets perspective....not a cap expert myself, confirm it please...

    Let's place an concrete example, suppose it's possible that the Rockets offer Scola 8 mill/year as starting salary, plus 10% increase each year, for 5 years....that would be 48 mill the 5 years (if Tyrus Thomas signs 40 mill for 5 years....48 mill for 5 years to Scola is not expensive), and only 8 mill counting for the salary cap...isn't it?

    If Rockets are forced to match an offer sheet, it's likely it would have to be 50 mill, 5 years or bigger (10 mill per year with no increases due to lack of Bird rights from the Nets or other team)...the diference is that if rockets match, the 10 mill would count for cap purposes, not the 8 mill that would be if the Rockets sign Scola before the Offer sheet.... isn't it?

    If it's confirmed, do you realize why it's better for the Rockets to sign Scola before the offer sheet....?
     
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    Nets might want to buy this beast.
     
  7. durvasa

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    It doesn't make any sense for a rebuilding team like the Nets to spend big bucks on Scola. Especially right after they drafted Favors.
     
  8. W22_STREAK

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    it makes sense for them to go 10 wins again next season?

    favors is at least 2 years away from being a contributor. 5 years til he gets respectable stats worth his hype.
     
  9. BetterThanEver

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    No way will it take 2 years to be a contributer and 5 years to be a star.
    He was playing for a coach that didn't know how to best utilize him.
    He'll be better than Scola by January 2011.
     
  10. HI Mana

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    Your understanding of the contract possibilities and cap ramifications for Luis's eventual contract is quite flawed. Let me try and help you out.

    1. First year salary counts for the salary cap...during the first year. If raises are built into the contract, then for subsequent years, whatever the salary is during a particular year is what counts against the cap in that year.

    2. A team with Bird rights on a player may offer a maximum of 10.5% raises (or decreases) each year of the contract, a team without Bird rights is limited to 8% increases/decreases.

    3. Teams are allowed to give signing bonuses to players, which have become the primary way to "Front-Load" offer sheets to restricted free agents. Teams may pay up to 20% of the total value of the contract right after the free-agent signs (17.5% for offer sheets to restricted free agents); this can be an enormous sum to small market teams, while wealthy owners such as Mickey Arison, Paul Allen and Mikhail Prokhorov can absorb such outputs, and you can see the result in the contracts of Lamar Odom, Paul Millsap and now Wes Matthews. This doesn't have a huge effect on the cap number, however, as this bonus is divided up equally among the years of the contract.

    So hypothetically, the Nyets could offer Scola a 5 year, $50M deal with a 17.5% signing bonus, and front load the maximum amount of money into the beginning of the deal: that would end up the Rockets paying a lump sum of $8.75M 7 days after the offer sheet is signed, and another $8.25M for the remainder of the first year (and the pay schedule could technically call for another lump sum payment early on), so Les Alexander might have to come up with $17M in one week, or take out a loan and pay interest. In this scenario, however, the cap hit for the Rockets would still be a flat $10M for the next 5 years, even if it was more than they were paying in years 2-5. This is what scared Memphis into giving Rudy Gay a max deal.
     
  11. ASidd_1990

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    Desperate calls for desperate measures. Teams that lost out on the LeBrick or Bosh sweepstakes will overpay for B-Level free agents.
     
  12. Chamillionaire

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    they should have drafted cousins.
     
  13. W22_STREAK

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    they already had lopez. whos miles and miles better than cousin.s/ u wanna risk the wellbeing of the whole ballclub on some mentally unstable combustion bomb?
     
  14. W22_STREAK

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    Hes a project.

    Even Amare only posted 13 and 8 in his rookie season. And he was ROY. I doubt Favors will be ROY this season. In fact, I don't even think he'd be in the top 3.

    That potential will take quite a while to be untapped. Even then, it'll be just another "Rudy Gay" putting up meaningless numbers on bottom-dwelling teams.

    Hence that explains why they are going after a experienced winner like Scola
     
  15. Chamillionaire

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    he hasn't played a minute in the league, and you're already labeling him as a "unstable combustion bomb".

    Kentucky coach John Calipari believes that 6-11 DeMarcus Cousins "should be a top three pick" in tonight's NBA Draft. But his words of support are exactly the type of statement that is giving general managers pause.

    Few have questions about Cousins' talent but fear his flashes of immaturity.

    He is expected to go No. 5 to Sacramento.

    "People are making a big-time mistake on this kid," Calipari told Sam Amick of FanHouse. "I've never coached a player who has come as far as fast as he did."

    But then added "maturity-wise, basketball-wise, he has got to grow there, but he has come a long way."

    Calipari said Cousins, who tested out at 20% body fat at pre-draft inspection, is "not even close to how good he can be" then launched into a story about how he had to be threatened with not starting before he participatied in conditioning drills.

    But the coach said all problems can be overcome if they look at Cousins not as a man as a 19-year-old kid.

    "...He's one of those kids that needs to be hugged, loved. Don't act like he's a grown man. He's a growing man."


    i understand what you're saying, but you don't know anything yet so quit talking out of your ***.
     
  16. Deuce

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    I know we are all wondering what the Nets are going to offer Scola but the Miami Herald says the Nets offered Haslem 3 years, 20 mil.
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/11/1725104/ilgauskas-interested-in-miami.html

    If the Nets offered that to Scola Rockets would happily match.

    Ya know, the Nets drafted Derrick Favors at PF. I know they want a vet PF to start initially, but one has to believe that any contract the Nets offer to a Vet PF, would not be for a lot of years. Ty Thomas got 5 years 40M from the Bobcats, another player the Nets were looking at.
     
  17. MadMax

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    Spinal Tap reference notwithstanding, they need to go to 11 (million) if they want Scola. I think we match to $10.

    but Scola is that much better than Haslem right now, i'd say. or at least i think he is.
     

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