How many good teams or great teams has he played on for him to get those numbers?? Last time i checked the Clippers and Warriors are horrible teams. He can be an efficient scorer on a bad team yeah but who is to say he is going to play the same style here. You can do all the things on a bad team and make it look like your a great player. You believe he is good fit for this team yet he is more injury prone than McGrady lol. Every year this guys is hurt. So why debate soooo much about what you believe in as in saying McGrady's days as a Rocket is over yet your pulling or want another injury player here who isn't worth his contract. P.S - I know Morey isn't that dumb to have an expensive backup center on the bench. No way
Histrionics, you have a name and it is Lou.....come into threads call people liars...get all pissy when they come back at you in a mild manner, attempt to slam then say..."let's get back on topic".... Whatever, enjoy your day sir, you and I do not see eye to eye.......life experiences for both of us, heck for anyone, allow you to see things differently. Whatever, we shall see what happens, In Morey I trust. DD
See, I don't expect Maggette to come in here and lead, that is the disconnect, I expect him to be in a role in which he fits perfectly a scorer off the bench or as a starter. A guy who comes in and moves off the ball and attacks the basket, something we desperatly need. We do not need him in any other capacity, he fits in that particular role..... IMO, that is what this team is lacking a HIGHLY efficient scorer who gets to the FT line, and if you are paying attention to what Morey says, they value guys who get to the line a LOT...because it gets the team in the penalty early and we have guys who are very good FT shooters.... Maggette may not be a star, but IMO, he would be a very good complimentary player for this team. You can't use the good teams argument, Tmac quit on an Orlando team that won like 17 games.....sometimes players fit better on other teams... DD
DD.. I have not seen Maggette play too much.. but IMO .. I think we already have the aforementioned qualities in Von Wafer. If he does some hard work during the summer.. we can get the same qualities ( mind you .. maggette does not pass the ball too ) at a much cheaper price... albeit at a lesser level .. but i think we can develop Wafer instead of trading T-MAc for Maggette.. We can look for other choices.... atleast that is wht I think.. we have a lot of time to trade T-Mac. til feb next year.. and yeah.. In morey i trust..
I agree that Von has some of the same abilities, but he is a "Might develop" guy, and I would prefer an "already developed" guy if we can get one. And Von may or may not sign here, if Tmac is in the plans, as well as Ron and Battier, I doubt he signs here....he probably wants to play..... To me, the biggest issue is the money we are paying to a guy that is often injured, and the team is really close, they can get more value for their cash by filling a couple of needs with his contract. Tmac's value will never be higher than it is right now, because of his contract, the economy and teams that are struggling, it is the perfect storm. Sell High..... DD
Dada, I merely showing you how you have been wrong here and seeing if you will admit it like you claim. About the nuggets beating the Lakers, or this poison pill stuff, or anything. I challenge you to show your humility - at least show us some links to where you admit you were wrong? How about it? I am not slamming you. Your fabrications and exaggerations are here for all to see and witness. I have shown you where you have mispoke and pointed them out. Others are saying you exaggerate as well. Heck, i mean, you exaggerate like crazy Dada. Anyway, your personal attacks don't bother me. I say let's get back to the topic at hand my old friend, because I am not interested in derailing this thread. I am not afraid of you sir. Nor do I respect your knowledge of the game. I think your personal feelings have biased your reason and ability to make astute observations. But let me ask you, what's your obsession with T-mac? I mean, you must have a 1,000 posts alone dedicated to bashing the guy and saying we don't need him or want him or that he's gone, or it's a business decision, blah blah. What's up with the campaign?
Wafer is actually a very poor ball handler. In the playoffs, Vujacic played aggressive defense on Wafer and shut him down.
good points thr DD.. but I dont think we can get impact players for T-Mac rit now.. atleast to my knowledge.. lets see how the off-season pans out.. Knowing Morey.. anything can happen. but Maggette's contract is ridiculous rit? I dont think Morey would fall for that..
This is where you lose all cred. T-mac is coming off his worst season as a pro. He is by your definition, "Seriously injured". And he is due 23 million. And yet you say we should "sell high". Don't you think, that in six months, when his contract would only cost a team 11.5million and yet take 23 million off the books...when he has made a come back and is playing much better than this year....don't you think those two things could only INCREASE his value? So how do you get sell high? This is the exact reason I think either you are blinded in bias, or you simply don't know what you are talking about. Because this whole "sell high" is wrong. No team is going to want to take on 23 million without getting rid of even WORSE contracts. WORSE. Got that? Morey won't do that. They will want him towards the end of the year, when they only have to pay a fraction of that contract. That's when his value goes up. Not now, later in the year.
yup. thats why I stressed on development.. but yeah.. you can't develop good handles in a single off season.. wil take a lot of time and effort.. but I think he is good enuf for as an offensive spark off the bench.. he fills the role perfectly.. I don't think Maggette is necessary.. we need a good player (point forward) who can create.. just look at the way Turkglu (sorry abt spelling) played in game 2.. he was just fabulous creating shots for others or shooting on his own.. that is what we need.. Mac is that type of player.. but he doesnt have the efficient jump shot Turkglu has... and Mac is not as clutch as many ppl think he is..
Well if thats all that you would like I would get someone who is somewhat similar to Maggette but at a cheaper price. Also we have guys who can attack the basket and get to the line but you have to remember its also the system and the plays that are being called. Artest can attack the basket. Von Wafer can also. Hell even Kyle Lowry was attacking the basket from time 2 time. We have the players already ( assuming Von and Ron are re-signed ) but its the type of offense we are running.
You need to be a lawyer, car accidents? injured on the job? divorce? or injured heartless superstar need defending? Sweet Lou and Associates will defend you
Disagree. Von Wafer generally cannot take his man off the dribble in a half-court set. Neither can Artest. Personally, I think this board really overrates Wafer.
I am going to show you why people have an issue with you Lou, and one of the reasons you were banned as New Yorker.....I do this with no malice and for informational purposes only. If you ever want to have a serious discussion with people you do not start off by insulting them - saying they lost all cred because your opinion is different or because you don't understand their view point which led them to the conclusion starts a conversation off on the wrong foot. You are again only looking at it from a Tmac the player situation, not a TMac the contract situation, it is asset management, not player management we are talking about here. Right now, Tmac's contract is more valuable than Tmac the player, that is what "Sell high" means. Perhaps, but then you have the lingering stigma of Tmac on the Rockets for half a season, the smarter play, IMO is to remove all of that early and go into the season with a roster you believe in and not have to make trades at the deadline, most championship contenders have their rosters set before the season to build up chemistry all year. Again with the insults rather than taking the time to understand a different viewpoint. I understand what you are saying, but you are looking at it from a different angle than I am. You - People want Tmac Me - People want his contract You nor I know exactly what Morey will or won't do, but I suspect that he will do whatever is necessary to help the team, he has already taken on some bad contracts to help the team get better.....Justin Reed, Brian Cook, Jackie Butler....to name 3.... I would look for him to continue this trend, getting a player he wants and maybe having to take on one he doesn't... Perhaps, but again, the best way is to avoid turmoil as much as possible and let the team grow together from training camp with the people that will be there with you and no large cloud looming over their heads. The Tmac situation effects numerous players on the Rockets.....and they are all watching what management does regarding him. I believe that management will look to improve the team by taking on a big name player and maybe a bad contract to do it...because one more player that plays is better than one player that people HOPE will play in TMac. You play the odds, IMO, and the odds are not in Tracy's favor. DD
