Actually T-Mac1...your thinking is flawed...Tracy plays that way because it's the only way that he knows how to play. Name one system that Tracy's played in since he began in the league that had him playing off of the ball. Remember, he wanted out of Toronto because he couldn't do just that. Everyone says that Tracy makes his teammates better because he gets the assists. Have you ever noticed that when Tracy has the ball, ALL movement stops? That's simply because no one knows what he's going do...is he gonna drive, stop and pop, dish it off? No one knows. Let's use his contract to get some guys that actually understand team based basketball and go and get this ring
You sir are 100% correct, and have a keen understanding of the nuances of the issue with Tmac. Rep points earned for you ! DD
you're basically saying all the elite players in this L (bron, kobe, paul, melo, wade) stop the ball then. there's a reason everyone called the cavs' offense the "lebron offense." you think if lebron played with a chris bosh that it would be the "lebron offense." uhh, i hope you watch some toronto games of his if you think he couldn't play off the ball. and this team just doesn't have tracy who "stops" the ball. ron artest is even worse. and we all know aaron brooks need the ball to be effective. those are 1-on-1 players. we all want the rip hamiltons or reggie millers... but the great ones throughout their career generally have the ball a lot and more often than not hold onto the ball. watch any game tapes. but again, like i said, i don't mind trading him if we're copying the pistons' blueprint. get a backup C + good 2 guard and i'm all for trading him. but this absurd notion that DD throw out there that a player who holds the ball a lot hurts the offense b/c all movement stops. i guess if chris paul was offered to us, we wouldn't return the phone call. well guess what, chris paul would have the ball in his hands 75% of the time if he was on our team.
LOL - what is absurd is you comparing Chris Paul to Tmac...one is a PG who sets up his teamates and efficiently scores the ball, the other is a guy who is pretty good at setting up his teamates but is a volume shooter with average to below average efficiency. If Tmac would commit to moving off the ball, and being part of the offense rather than the focus of it...that would be great. But he won't he bristles at it....and....he is always injured......ALWAYS injured..... Just move him now while you can.....it is the smart play. BTW - I look forward to the day when people stop making excuses for him...... DD
Dood, this team is a much better team with a "healthy" T-Mac. Even donkey could figure that out. The big question is are you willing to gamble on Tracy being healthy and is he mentally tough enough to alter his game when he figures out he's lost some athletism due to the microfractive surgery. He is a phenomanal player and I have always felt his biggest weakness has been his lack of mental toughness. For me personally, I would look to see the rockets move him for a deal that brings in immediate talent and less injury prone players. And I don't want the distraction anymore.
i guess you love chris paul's performance v. the nuggets in the playoffs. 16ppg, 10apg, but wait DD, i know you'll love this: 41% fg and 31%3s, and yet he still "held" the ball way too much and didn't peja do his thing or david west or rasual butler. i mean, he struggled. why not pass right? let those guys "create for themselves." don't stop the ball right? cut or something right?
exactly. this is legit criticism of tracy. but it's absurd that tracy is just a guy who stops the ball and doesn't help a team. beyond ridiculous.
So, he struggled against the Nuggets this year in the playoffs. Ok. Do you understand context he is a PG, not a SG...CP3 is vastly superiour to Tmac in getting teamates easy shots. And Tmac shot under 40% this year..... Look, I know you LOVE you some Tmac.....just look at your name.... No biggie, you can follow your hero to his next stop...while the Rockets continue to get better, WITHOUT HIM !! DD
yes, only a PG can get his teammates' shots. i guess you would want rafer to handle the ball. i guess you would want delonte west to handle the ball instead of lebron. geez, your basketball knowledge can be way off at times despite watching tons of bball. and yes, HE SUCKED THIS YEAR. sucked balls. it's pretty much common knowledge. you're the one who keep saying his playoffs' stats/performances are vastly inflated due to him holding teh ball...and he hurt us in those times . hell, i still remember you bringing up the 04-05 series for that same reason. i love your last 2 lines. can't respond with some good basketball stuff, so just retort to that. i guess that's fine. i'll still be here when tracy gets traded
Let me ask you a question. Who would you rather want passing the ball. T-Mac or Brooks? I think McGrady will fit well with Brooks sitting at the 3 point line waiting for a drive in and kick out three.
When was this? Can you refresh my memory please? When signing with Orlando, he knew they'd be signing Grant Hill at the same time as well; a player at that time considered much greater than VC, and far more ball-dominant. In fact he played a similar role to what McGrady has done in his time with Houston. Then consider he never adjusted to the Toronto lifestyle and had a chance to go back home, he took it. So please, refresh my memory of T-Mac leaving Toronto because he couldn't play off the ball?
But you don't understand, all those passes he's made, he's dominated the ball. And all those passes are detrimental to our team, even when he has a 10+ assist game and when we win it's always been detrimental. Had he been injured in 04-05, 06-07 and 07-08, I shiver at the idea we could been three time champions. Because all those years all he's done is call out all his teammates, give up on plays, put up crap numbers, and never stepped up his game and led us anywhere when injuries arised. I'd much rather have Brooks passing than T-Mac, he's the flavor the month for sure....
Actually, the only two people on that list that don't play off of the ball are as DD said Chris Paul but he is a point guard and it's his job to quarterback the offense and still be an efficient scorer (as far as this years playoffs, everyone gets smacked in the mouth one in a while and this was the Hornets year) and the other is Lebron. I know I'll catch a lot of flak but I dubbed Lebron, T-Mac 2.0 a long time ago. He's a bigger, stronger, and faster version (and yes at this point he is more successful post season wise, but their games are pretty much the exact same) Don't get me wrong, Lebron will when a ring or two eventually but does he really make his teammates better ala the great ones of the game? or does he just do everything for them? One more question, how many decent-good or great players have come out and publicly said that they'd like to play on a Tracy McGrady led team since he's been in the league? Shaq turned him down, Duncan turned him down and they got Grant by giving him a boatload of cash, way more than anyone else offered. And as far as Toronto, I saw plenty of their games. Tracy played more of a Pippen role (which he should have stuck with if I might add). Did he like it, obviously not as I remember reading interviews back then with him saying that he had a lot more to offer to the team but he needed the ball more.
lets not start putting down other players. brooks was great for us this season. he's going to get better.
lebron is 5x better than tracy was at his prime. so i don't care if he holds onto the ball all the damn time. he's that good. i thought he should have shot 50 times a game playing with those scrubs. yes, he DOES make his teammates better. NOBODY wanted delonte before this year. i bet EVERYBODY wants him now. mo made the all-star team the only year playing with lebron. ben wallace is getting minutes again b/c of lebron... and so on. also, he does everything for them B/C HIS TEAMMATES CAN'T DO THOSE THINGS. who can pass? who can post up? who can create? are you even serious with that statement? so you think wade isn't as good either b/c he does everything for that team? he plays PG and SG for them. actually, shaq, when he wanted to be traded from the lakers, said he wouldn't mind playing for orlando again, and tracy was still a magic then. unfortunately, there was no way that could happen with grant hill's contract. and again, when did duncan turn "him" down? duncan turned the magic down b/c orlando wanted to sign grant AND duncan first. tracy was still in talks with orlando at the time. when duncan didn't sign with orlando, then tracy signed with them. again, if tracy wanted his own team like you're insinuating, he should have signed with chicago instead. why go to orlando? both offered the same amount of money. there was another superstar going to orlando too you know, a top 5 player at the time
Don't think I really put down Brooks, he really made strides this season and really stepped up his game in the playoffs; he was our best player against what might be the eventual NBA Champions. I even mentioned earlier in one of my posts, the main reason we advanced was the emergence of Brooks play.
Eh, to an extent I agree, but I don't think that was the sole reason he left Toronto. He stated many times he had not adjusted to the way of life in a different country, and then signed with Orlando knowing he'd share the ball with a MORE ball dominant player in Grant Hill. I think it was more of a decision having a max contract in Toronto or a max contract where he grew up alot of his life.
Lebron doesn't move off ball either. T-mac doesn't have to move off-ball to be effective. Simply being who he is, he pulls a defender or two away from the paint. You put Yao on the strong side, t-mac on the weakside. Now you have Brooks on the strong side as well. It's a lethal 3-some right there. Defenses won't be able to front Yao, or double them. By the way, you still haven't admitted you are wrong about the poison pill. Just like VSPAN. You never admitted you were wrong, you simply said it was JVG's fault.
Why do Tracy/Lebron guys always have to put down their teammates to make a point. I remember threads here saying that we should go after Delonte. He played well in Seattle so stop acting like he's Ryan Bowen man. Yes I'll give it to you, this was Mo's 1st AS game but seriously, are you saying he was a scrub before this year because again, there were quite a few threads here saying that we should go after him. If his teammates (and Tracy's) can't even tie their own shoes without them.... what in the heck are these players doing in the L... come on man, most of these guys have been playing for years before so they had to have some success. So there are only 4 guys on the court when Wade plays Actually that's pretty wrong but OK
If your hometown offered you the same amount of money as another city, where would you go? Obviously the answer is your hometown.
