ron artest has been pretty good throughout his career, i agree on that. but that incident wasn't just instigated by the fans. i wish you rewatch that tape and saw that artest was also the problem. during the entire incident, he sat down on the reporters' sideline down with his legs crossed like he's on a beach smirking the entire time. but that's nothing. i'm sure you've seen football games where players have been thrown at with batteries and things worse than beer. ron artest is a huge buff athlete and he could have killed someone with a punch. that's simply inexcusable. what tracy did was also inexcusable. but at least he just has a big mouth that he can't control since he's dumb and illiterate. but still no excuse. but you rather have an athlete who talks a lot than do something that nearly changed the perception of the game.
You can do what if infinity.. its about reality. I'm sure the beer did make him mad. this whole thing originally started cause I don't feel sorry for Tmac based on events that directly affect basketball compared to other players. then Ankor goes off talking about Tmac having his friends' tragedies. Tmac had a choice and he can still choose to play basketball. It's not like Barkley blowing out his knee and ending his career or Bird not being able to run on the court or Magic getting HIV. Those events directly led those players to stop playing ball. If Magic had all his friends go down in tragedy and he didn't have HIV, he'd still play basketball on a high level.
If you ignore the fact that he consistently "played like **** when it mattered the most" three more years than Pippen did. If anything, that tenure has allowed McGrady to actually do more damage to the franchise.
yes, you get removed BY THE SECURITY GUARDS. there are tons of security guards at a game. as an athlete on national TV, you just don't go finding somebody and punching them willy nilly, esp. when you're 6'8 240 lbs. people say what jobs you have don't put you above others, but that's untrue. these guys are in the public eye whenever they step onto the court. their actions are more monitored than say at a strip club. there's a reason athletes cheat, and WE DON'T CARE. but there's a reason if an athlete fights a fan, WE DO CARE. if ron gets into a fight at the club, who cares. he's doing that in his own time and whatever goes on off the court is his business. but when you're on national TV, it's a different story. ron knew what he did was wrong. he has apologized numerous times. we should put this to rest. he's a better man and has controlled his temper very well. i was proud of him this playoffs when he could have gotten out of control, and didn't.
1. Nobody is going to take your love away from Vernon Maxwell. Nobody. 2. It's kind of like saying that on no other day did Andrea Yates kill her children. Nobody in NBA history ever did what Ron did. You only have to flip out once like that for people to label you. You think the quick ejections in the playoffs were because he was wearing a Rockets jersey? 3. Not liking someone's attitude and dumping a player are two different things. I did not like McGrady's attitude this year. I think there are plenty of reasons it might be time to move him. I just don't find him the Great Satan that you do. You're right, there are a great number of Rockets fans who want to get rid of him. I just don't think he should be moved for the sake of it. You can't get too emotional about this stuff. If McGrady can deliver on the court and help the team, fine by me. If there is a deal out there to bring the Rockets closer to a ring, they should do that.
Ron is human. He grew up poor in and has witnessed people die on the basketball court. The fan who threw the beer on him knew he had a tempter. This was not random, he could have thrown the beer on Travis Best or someone else. If you randomly threw a beer on someone at a bar, chances are they will attack you. Not saying Ron was right, but he ABSOLUTELY did not instigate this.
i guess when it matters most in the playoffs (but i know you'll nitpick about the last 5 minutes and all that) in 3 playoff series for the rockets: 27.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 7apg, 1.3spg, 43%fg, 30%3s, 8.1 ft attempts per game (for those who say he doesn't drive). YES, he could have scored more. YES he could have rebounded more. YES he could have made more fts and shot better. YES to all that. but if that is playing like *******, well....... it's a team game. you think carmelo anthony suddenly became better than dwade this year and took his team to the WCF? you think joe johnson suddenly became lebron james and elevate his team past the first round? i guess joe johnson would have elevated us the past 3 playoff series then
No one is asking you to feel sorry for Tracy just hope for the best and ride the guy out while hes stilla Rockets. At the end of the day basketball is just a game, but the way some people talk on this board you would think Tracy tried to kill them or something. I'm not talking about you I'm talking about the people who calls him name like Tslask, Mclady, and you I'm pretty sure you know the rest. Now lets be serious don't you think that is a little too much?
I'm fine with this. Tmac is what he is. The problem is the "What if Tmacs, He could have or should have " arguments. Or the pity threads like "If Lebron got a foul and Tmac got the same foul..." I'm tired of the "he should have" or "he could have" crap on this board. HE DIDN'T. PERIOD.
Not only that, but Ben Wallace PUNKED Artest on the previous play and Ron kept his cool. The beer toss seemed like the straw that broke the camels back. I agree. Put me in that situation after being hit hard and then someone throws a beer at me, then its possible that I might snap too.
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b/c it's not like he does NOTHING in those last 5 minutes. unless you can prove he has ZERO impact and is garbage during those last 5 minutes, then you can say something. game 7 v. utah: 29 pts, 13 assists, 5 rebs, 3 blocks. responsible for 27 fgs of the team's 34 (80%). YES, 80 FREAKIN' PERCENT. but let's get to that 4th quarter. he had 8 points and 3 assists in that quarter. but oh no, he should have done more. so let's magnify that 4th quarter to the last 6 minutes. he had 6 points and 2 assists. you know where you should blame him? for not getting 10 REBOUNDS, b/c if he did grab one of those defensive rebounds, we would have freakin' won. i brought this game up b/c this was the series the team was the favorite. so antisonic if you're gonna blame tmac, blame him for not pushing yao or howard or those big men out of the way and get those extra loose balls and rebounds to secure the victory. in a 2 possession stretch in the last 3 minutes, utah got freaking SIX SHOT ATTEMPTS.
Players that have been to AT LEAST the conference finals during their career? Within the last 5 yrs? Rocket River
now this is a better criticism of tracy. he hasn't won. so that's a legit criticism. for a player as great as he is, he could and should have done more. he didn't. and he has to live with it.
This is a new tack for you...comparing McGrady to historical disasters. I think Mcgrady also had something to do with the false WMD intelligence in the lead up to the war in Iraq, too! Add this to the List! I would say that you "post like **** when it matters the least, " but I should stop. Like Trader George, I don't think you are actually a real person. I think you are GARM spam that pops up whenever McGrady is brought up. Maybe the best thing about moving him would be getting rid of "you."
Get over yourself. McGrady's fourth quarter performances are well-document. It's pull-up, immediately force a long two, rinse, repeat. Saying he has zero impact would be generous, it's actually negative.
i don't see any analysts or even those TNT guys destroying tracy after those playoff series. barkley will pounce on you like wolves if you suck down the stretch. hell, he did that to numerous players this year when they disappear. joe johnson is a perfect example. barkley was constantly calling out joe johnson in the playoffs. i've never seen any analyst calling tracy out in the playoffs. EVER. just you antisonic
